Remove FC housing entirely

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

is there a source for this?

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It was off-handedly mentioned during one of the patch readings this expansion (6.1 I think) http://blog.livedoor.jp/umadori0726/.../59652577.html

But it was far from any sort of hard confirmation, just Yoshi-P saying 'we may explore the idea' more or less. His wording also sorta implied that even if it did make its way over, it likely wouldn't be a 1:1 copy of their FC implementation. My guess would be likely extremely simplified version in terms of zones/loot, 1 sub only, etc.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

And we have a winner! This describes about 98% of the posts on this forum, for what it's worth - but people really, really don't like having this pointed out, so brace for your accusations of being purely negative or unhelpful or doomsaying for highlighting their selfishness.

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To be fair, FC housing has a major issue, that exists purely because of FCs: Someone that has a personal FC can have more houses than one who doesnt.

If FCs would lose that capability, it would at least balance that aspect. It would remove the ability to have 1 FC per char even. This is a major nerf towards ward takeovers, as from that point on each plot is on their own service account (and therefor those takeovers cost a lot more). If this would be done, they could even compensate by allowing an account to have 2 houses (and upon leaving the FC, the house will either be transferred to someone else that has a free slot, or after 45 days will automaticly be demolished - to enable someone in the fc to take it over)

But no matter what, solutions will always be dirty here. Simply because the current system is dirty anyway (too many exploitable parts).

That is committing the exact sin being spoken of. To improve the personal situation by a fraction by taking away housing from all FCs forever is naked in its ambition. There is no 'to be fair' about this sentiment. There is no way you could even begin to make it fair this late in the game.

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Originally Posted by Xelanar

THIS is the part I just cannot understand, because of the reasons I mentioned. When I read something like "remove FC houses entirely" it always sounds like people are not interested in improving the housing situation at all. Instead it sounds like they only want to improve the housing situation for THEMSELVES.

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My only selfish drive is to have more actual neighborhs, if you want to put it like that, I got a personal Large House... and I got a medium Sized FC that I am building up.... and funny enough I won the medium house for my FC using the current lottery system, was a breeze as well to do it that way, but ensured I had something to live in at first FC wise that is, many complaints is about can't get a house because I bid on the most popular ones only and constantly make self standing with empty hands.

As for losing my Medium FC house to it being some kind og guildhall given by your Grand Company not affiliated with the wards as well as the Workshop will be a part of that guildhall, would suite me just as nice as for a working FC, you just need a guildhall of sorts.

It would rid of those corporations or in whatever way you put it.

The other solution is you can only have full officer/FC leader rights in one FC per account as in personal use of the workshop, where as only being able to put in materials and run for the next step at max with any other character, that can be locked down with a script of sorts and remove these 'omni' crafters as they claim to be which really mostly only is running submarines on multiple houses for profits.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

To improve the personal situation by a fraction by taking away housing from all FCs forever is naked in its ambition.

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Doesn't have to be from all FCs forever, just those that shouldn't have had them in the first place.

It is the height of insanity to argue that housing's primary purpose (FCs) should be completely removed for the benefit of the half assed, poorly thought out mess that is private housing.

Add new wards and restrict old ones for FC just for people to buy them all is so blatant and the fact people defend it is sad

Make it so FC's need to be 45 days old and have a minimum of 20 members before it can purchase a house.

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Originally Posted by NightHour

Make it so FC's need to be 45 days old and have a minimum of 20 members before it can purchase a house.

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There's already a membership requirement, and raising it isn't going to do anything. The people who are causing the problem have multiple accounts and can easily throw 19 alts in an FC, pull them out, and then go bid on another house. This harms legitimate FCs more than it harms the abusers.

Also, having a house in the first place is one way FCs show that they're committed to the game. You're sawing off the bottom rungs of the ladder FCs climb to grow.

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Originally Posted by NightHour

Make it so FC's need to be 45 days old and have a minimum of 20 members before it can purchase a house.

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A minimum of 20 members really ? Why not 100 while we're at it ? And of course they all need to be active.

Seriously, lets just stop with trying to add requirements to purchase a house, it's fine as it is, the problem is the scarcity, not the requirements.

Not every FC has 20 members, there are very small fcs of friends that are like 4 in or a bit more, why would they need to be 20 to get a house ?