About the new 24 Man Alliance Raid.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

Still waiting for that promised difficulty.

---

Honestly for me its difficult enough. If we didnt have some people in our run that knew what to do we would have wiped countless of times. I like it the way it is. People that have no clue are now not those that that will bring the party completely down. Just one group can keep the fight going, while the mechanics still remain harsh for newcomers.

About the raid: I agree this raid is great. Awesome music, great visuals and interesting bosses. Not sure though why SE spoiled every one of them in the trailer.

Still in this one, I look forward to learning more about this and what the end plot will be.

I'm not doing it because of the difficulty.

Not that I don't like difficulty, but more I don't like difficulty combined with random people.

There's a reason wow LFR is so brainless.

I thought it was great! A couple of wipes, but I'm looking forward to doing it again.

I liked it better then Nier. It felt like it was part of the world instead of kinda tacked on the way Nier was to me.

Raid aesthetics are great, encounter design is great. Byregot and Rhalgr are S-tier Alliance Raid bosses. Nald'thal is also really good. Only Azeyma is a bit weak. Also really curious to see where the story goes and I'm looking forward to seeing the designs for the other gods.

My current concern is that it feels like the boss HP is undertuned. Even day 1, once our group had the mechanics down their health was dropping really fast. It feels like they are tuned under the assumption that some portion of the raid will be dead at all times, so it's like their HP is set for 16 people rather than 24. This is bad because it means the raid will become trivial once everyone has had a chance to learn it, and since there is no ilvl syncing in alliance raids for some reason, gear upgrades in later patches are going to make the raid a total joke with tons of mechanic skipping.

I'd also like to see mechanics with group responsibility return to alliance raids at some point. I miss raid breaker bosses like Ozma and TG Cid, but I guess the game philosophy is different from back then and way more geared towards letting everyone through no matter what. I can't recall any mechanics in Aglaia that actually require all 3 alliances.

The only negative i have is the audo mixing.

I don't know what it is, but its almost impossible for me to hear what the bosses are saying.
I hear Thundergod Cid loud and clear, but i didnt even notice that they talk for a bit because i was busy ressing.

I did turn the voices up but it was still way to quiet. Had to turn them down again because the battlevoices from 23 people are very annoying.

I really like the raid otherwise, a lot.

But the mixing... please, i want to hear what they say, especially if one is a good indicator of an attack and you cant hear it...

I had such a blast with this 24 man. Not 100% sure how I feel about it over all yet, but it's definitely my favorite first leg of a 24man series, second to Rabanastre.


Can't wait to see where we go from here.

They really hit the mark with this raid. Music,visuals,boss,mechanics A+

It's horribly boring. Every gimmicks happens slowly, peacefully, each in turn ; and it has to be this way since the goal is to one-shot players (either directly or after vulnerability)

Also the balance gimmick is trash. Stop making fights that reset because of one small misstep from 1 player (especially when the misstep includes accepting a raise), same kind of bullshit as Elidibus QTE.

Ban one-shot for better fights and real difficulty (would also make healers "healers" again)

I have had such a blast running this raid! The fights are well tuned, the zone is beautiful, the gear is gorgeous! Not to mention, I like the anti-social NPC Deryk, and the story subject. Thank you to the Team who worked so hard on this.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by PangTong

I'd also like to see mechanics with group responsibility return to alliance raids at some point. I miss raid breaker bosses like Ozma and TG Cid, but I guess the game philosophy is different from back then and way more geared towards letting everyone through no matter what. I can't recall any mechanics in Aglaia that actually require all 3 alliances.

---

This is what I love the most about Alliance Raids: Mechanics that require the entire alliance to work together. I burst out laughing when I first saw the Nald'Thal scale mechanic knowing full well that this player base WILL mess this up... And I'm here for it.

I too would love to see more mechanics that require us to work together!

However, I also understand why the Dev's need to tread carefully around it. As someone who is almost always running 24mans when I play, I remember when I would join into Orbonne and 1/2 of the alliance would quit at the very start before the barrier went down. I'm one of those people who has a macro for each fight, who wants to work through with a tough group, finish with unfilled groups, etc... I have finished Orbonne with 2seconds left on the clock. I understand why the majority wouldn't want to commit to that kind of time sink. I completely understand why they needed to add Echo to Orbonne.

I trust the Dev team to find the right balance. LOVED it! Thanks again for the fun new raid!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

Still waiting for that promised difficulty.

---

I actually thought the difficulty for this alliance raid was appropriate and I think this should be the standard for normal difficulty content. But certain other boss fights in prior expansions (thordan, etc.) still need a buff.