To all the sprouts(new people) out there...

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Originally Posted by kejakalope

The to-the-boss-gate suicide pull on Mt. Gulg is still pretty hair-raising and surviving it still depends on how much the healer has to dodge telegraphs but otherwise, yeah, it's all very do-able even in level-appropriate gear.

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it's surprisingly easy with sage, much to my surprise

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

That's true I suppose, and for that I apologize. Where else should I direct my frustration, because by every observable factor on my end it has grown much worse in the past few weeks.

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The big boom in population from the WoW exodus began several months ago in the summer and we already saw congestion issues from that begin before autumn was full swing. If things were alright up until very recently I think it's safe to say that it's not only WoW players who are the source of your frustrations. Furthermore for years players from WoW have been coming to this game. I came from WoW during HW, as have many of my friends, and we did not try to do FF content like it's WoW.

Sure some WoW players do try to play as if it's still WoW and it often doesn't end well, but not all of them do. A lot of us have enough sense to know that we should approach a different game in a different way. I have encountered other players in the past with the "go go go" attitude that WoW is famous for but they had not even played WoW. Some had not even played mmorpgs. The attitude of rushing in head first without a second thought isn't unique to WoW players.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I'm getting really tired of people blaming every little thing that goes wrong on WoW players.

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Preach. /10char

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Where else should I direct my frustration

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Maybe you can find the answers you seek within yourself.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Stopped reading after this.

The whole WoW VS Final Fantasy thing got boring ages ago.

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It was tiresome back in XI, and it's so much worse now. I was really hoping all these stupid threads would stop once EW launched, but it seems this is the new norm. Lucky us.

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Originally Posted by DezereDawn

Preach. /10char

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what did preach do now? is still inspecting floors

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Originally Posted by Penthea

... Furthermore for years players from WoW have been coming to this game. I came from WoW during HW, as have many of my friends...

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This is true, I came from WoW in 2013 on the opening day of ARR.

So, I guess, I am one of those OP hated WoW players too!

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Personally, I'd rather see daredevil sprouts that are willing and/or eager to do big pulls. It's been the norm & if they don't start somewhere, they'll forever stick to baby pulls until lv90.


The best thread to vent about your messy runs (or sharing your nice runs!) is this: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ry.-Let-s-vent.

Vent away to your heart's content over there, we all do need to vent from time to time. Although I have to agree with Penthea about targeting any particular groups regardless of your intention. Leave that one sentiment out, not everything from WoW is bad; game tribalism shouldn't be held high.

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I actually agree with you about the tribalism, but that's not what this is about. I didn't make that statement as someone with a presupposed obsession with FFXIV, I said it as a former wow player myself that didn't want to see the same dynamics migrate.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

The big boom in population from the WoW exodus began several months ago in the summer and we already saw congestion issues from that begin before autumn was full swing. If things were alright up until very recently I think it's safe to say that it's not only WoW players who are the source of your frustrations. Furthermore for years players from WoW have been coming to this game. I came from WoW during HW, as have many of my friends, and we did not try to do FF content like it's WoW.

Sure some WoW players do try to play as if it's still WoW and it often doesn't end well, but not all of them do. A lot of us have enough sense to know that we should approach a different game in a different way. I have encountered other players in the past with the "go go go" attitude that WoW is famous for but they had not even played WoW. Some had not even played mmorpgs. The attitude of rushing in head first without a second thought isn't unique to WoW players.

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This I 100% agree with, and being a former WoW player myself I should have obviously taken that into consideration...I simply wasn't thinking clearly because I've been making the mistake of letting life stuff affect my gaming. I appreciate you being so thoughtful in maintaining the integrity of the community here because I love it here too.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

I said it as a former wow player myself that didn't want to see the same dynamics migrate.

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I got a real cool thing to tell you about the history of wall-to-wall pulls and why SE put roadblocks in every dungeon. (We used to pull much, much bigger..)

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I got a real cool thing to tell you about the history of wall-to-wall pulls and why SE put roadblocks in every dungeon. (We used to pull much, much bigger..)

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we also used to sleep mobs before the boss door so they reset when the door closed