The Problem With Healers as a Role Withing FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

If newbies need the vets to carry them that's on the newbies, not the vets. The content wasn't so hard it couldn't be done, most just didn't even try to coordinate it.

I attempted to assist multiple groups trying that fight. Hands down the best strat was for the off healer and the off tank to man the cannons so the dps could focus on the dragon and the adds. Off tank / Off Healer much higher aoe damage via the cannons than they would have normally.

Guess how many people actually did that? Hell most people ignored the cannons all together (when it was new).

At some point it's not worth the headache to try and help people who actively will NOT listen.

That's for each player to decide. But if you have enough bad group experiences in certain content, I can't blame people for seeing "Steps of Faith" pop up and they bolt.

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Personally, I rarely had problems finding someone to get the other cannon when the trial was new. The issue was that it was hard to find a third to hit the dragonkiller when we went for the tethers.

For me, it felt like it was more an issue of people who've already played the trial but never bothered to learn it, then getting it in roulette and still not bothering to learn it. I didn't really think it was really a big deal that first timers just coasted. The issue was that since it was by far the most common trial anyone would get in the months leading to HW's release, yet most people never did anything but blindly DPS.

Maybe if Vishaps had an invulnerability shield at the beginning and the first gate had a dragonkiller that broke the shield, people might've learned that this was actually a gimmick fight and it wouldn't have been nerfed. I don't see people failing Lakshmi so badly despite the orbs basically being the same sort of mechanic. Most of the time, the bad parties just meant that it took longer to beat her, rather than actually failing it.

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Originally Posted by Dearche

Maybe if Vishaps had an invulnerability shield at the beginning and the first gate had a dragonkiller that broke the shield, people might've learned that this was actually a gimmick fight and it wouldn't have been nerfed. I don't see people failing Lakshmi so badly despite the orbs basically being the same sort of mechanic. Most of the time, the bad parties just meant that it took longer to beat her, rather than actually failing it.

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While not causing a full wipe, I still see people routinely die by not pressing their duty action button on that fight.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

While not causing a full wipe, I still see people routinely die by not pressing their duty action button on that fight.

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Yea, but the difference is the number of players that fail to press that button. You only really need like 3 people to succeed at it to beat Lakshmi, though the fight'll take forever to beat, it'll still get done. But with Vishaps, you often don't even get that three. Presuming that you yourself is one of the people actually doing the mechanics right, you needed two others to do so as well as you can't really use both snares and the dragonkiller with only two people.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

While not causing a full wipe, I still see people routinely die by not pressing their duty action button on that fight.

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To be fair Duty Actions don't even exist until that fight happens. I queued up and had no idea what people even meant when they said Duty Action and being on PS4 I couldnt follow their directions to click the duty action either which defaulted to a postion completely seperate from the hotbar I use to access all my actions. It was unbelievably confusing for someone who considers themself very comfortable with using a controller. I think Duty Actions are easy now but I know firsthand how easy it is to be stumped by things you've never encountered before.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

To be fair Duty Actions don't even exist until that fight happens. I queued up and had no idea what people even meant when they said Duty Action and being on PS4 I couldnt follow their directions to click the duty action either which defaulted to a postion completely seperate from the hotbar I use to access all my actions. It was unbelievably confusing for someone who considers themself very comfortable with using a controller. I think Duty Actions are easy now but I know firsthand how easy it is to be stumped by things you've never encountered before.

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I feel like Duty Actions would catch far fewer people off-guard if they were at least used on occasion in the open world.

Think of those quest items whose tiny icons have to be clicked if on M&KB, or require you to pan through the Key Items menu on controller, to use. Why don't those simply pop up, where applicable, as "Duty Actions?"

Or even just introduce them earlier in instanced fights, in an encounter where its use has lower stakes.