I dont even care what others have, im annoyed i cant get certain pvp mounts and stuff, but welp... I just dont see why its asked too much to add recolored stuff and not EXACTLY the rewards you get for certain things like the beast tribes etc...
And lets face it, even i just recently stomped kefka savage for the mount... nothing is special anymore on that. Lets be real there, sure, savage is a lot harder then ex trials but after 8 kills your static got mounts, while i can do that f------- primal a 100+ and still wait months.
Theres so much stuff they could give away... remember the Elbst (i hope its the same name lol) from the moonfire faire some years ago? THAT would be a blast. Or Idk as we talked on some other thread, a different colored Twintania, wyvern, anything.... theres so much stuff they literally only gotta tack some new color onto it and call it a day - and we would be happy.
Im not salty about other ppl gettin it easier, though it is kinda an insult to say "meh do 10 pvp matches or smt and youre good" im sad about trashing our efforts...
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05-09-2021, 06:27 PMKuroka
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05-09-2021, 07:56 PMAnotherPersonYou are still severely underestimating the dedication related to PvP by comparing it to PvE. It takes less persistent effort to get the mounts in Ex fights than it does in PvP. Top 100 PvP rewards take an entire season to get assuming you are consistently winning battles that your rank is high enough (and a season lasts for half a patch cycle, so all that time is spent on running ranked PvP over and over again). PvP is more similar to spending all the time dedicating to get the Firmament titles for crafters, except this is spending all that time on combat and for a much longer period of time. It's not similar to PvE where you have unlimited time to tackle the trial whenever you want to attempt for the mount by putting a PF up. Ranked Matches only occur during the Feast Season (limited period). Saying everyone should get the hellhound just because 4 years passed is like saying everyone should get "Saint of the Firmament" Title / "Beatus of the Firmament" Title after a couple of years when the actual Ishgard Restoration period is over, they didn't actually contribute to restoring it and only the top 10 players of the skybuilder's ranking / top 100 players have those titles. They didn't experience the allnighters, the focused time dedication, and burnouts these players put to reach the top rankings. I agree that there should be a reskinned or recolored hellhound that should be more obtainable for everyone for those who would like a hellhound mount, but it shouldn't be the same hellhound that the top 100 has achieved. To do that is to stomp on all the effort they put into the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
Farming for a mount in PvE is honestly a lot simpler. Figure out the pattern of the fight, be able to respond accordingly, then farm on repeat, which can take from a day to a couple of months with the help of a guide, but even if you don't get it in one successful run, at least you get a totem which will guarantee you the mount in 99 runs. There is a limit to how much effort you have to expend, but you can take as much breaks in between. In reality, we don't need to wait for an entire expansion to unsync content. Even as ilvl increases, a competent PvE player that has good DPS can already skip a lot of repeating mechanics than when it was first released (Ex: Hades Elegy), so we naturally have an easier time the longer it takes to farm. PvP doesn't have that - everyone is always synced to remove gear/stat advantage, and it only gets more difficult because you're fighting more competent players as time passes the higher rank you go. Every player plays differently, so there's no 'farm on repeat' mode either. Some people may never even advance past a certain rank - and that's the reality of anything related to combat rankings. It's a system that indicates whether you can stand toe-to-toe with others, far exceed their tactical ability, or need to improve because your ability is too below theirs. Having rank decay doesn't do anything to change the top 100 rankings very much in the end because people at Platinum and Diamond will not match with people at Bronze since the matchmaking queue only allows people at or 1 rank above/below your current placement.
Again, the current problem with PvP Queue is that there isn't enough of an incentive to continue playing since most of the rewards are either very difficult to obtain (having to be top 100 or top 10 for 10 wolf collars so most people are excluded). Doing PvP for a long time to get only 3 - 7 wolf collars doesn't give much incentive if there's nothing you want to exchange because then you have to wait for ANOTHER season to repeat the same hurdle to get enough wolf collars, and most people don't have that kind of patience. This can be circumvented with giving more rewards by achieving certain milestones by the end of the season in addition to the collars - ex: reaching gold rank gives gold colored mount, reaching platinum gives platinum colored mount. Reaching silver gives silver colored mount, etc. People are always more incentivized to try to climb if there is a tangible reward that is more readily achievable and this pretty much gives another chance at the reskinned colored mounts and having extra collars let them try to get a previous season reward as well. -
05-09-2021, 08:24 PMkaynideI do not care what anyone else has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia
My point was that there seems to be a subset of players who care strongly about what other people have or think and want to be able to show off when really most people just don't care.
In fact if you were on Tonberry, you might recognize that I give away the Xmas stuff (and occasional trees) every xmas season for about a week. Like 1,000s of sets. If it makes more people feel happy, isn't that a good thing? (I'm very noisy on there with shouts during that time...)
If people are able to enjoy "the things" then that shouldn't affect me. When I got "the thing", it was worth whatever grind to me to get it... or it wasn't and I didn't get it. Me seeing "the thing" on some one else does not affect my opinion of them in any way.
It's like the newest glamour-of-the-month. if I really really really want it, I'll grind the mats out of treasure maps or pony up the gil. Or if I don't I'll just wait like 3 months and get it when it's no longer in season.
Case and point: I do not typically grind the primal mounts until I can practically solo them or do them unsync'd with friends like like... 1-2 minutes. I don't own a single SB wolf mount. It's not worth it to me to deal with the RNG despite not being that hard. Buuuuut if I'm running roulettes for tomestones anyway, and I can get one of those on the side, hey- win win.
Or, alternatively, seeing the new expensive gil mikoshi mount. When I see one, I don't think "oh wow, such a sexy player! He has so much money! I envy him!", I think "lol, that mounts fun looking. It's too much for my tastes, but if it makes them happy, good on em" -
05-09-2021, 08:33 PMkaynideThis is where I would like things to go personally. I've been here since 2.0 launch and have every event item ever. I would not care in the slightest if they brought them back for newer players.Quote:
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05-09-2021, 11:13 PMDeceptusPvP rewards are obtainable if you are OK with rampant cheating, win trading, and people using Scripts.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnotherPerson
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05-09-2021, 11:15 PMKurokaespecially old event stuff would be nice... the contents winner gear for example is great! It might be "useless" but i really liked that idea.Quote:
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05-10-2021, 02:21 AMCommander_JustitiaThanks for showing common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnotherPerson
It is especially ironic that the PvP community itself suggested those things already years ago, but sadly nothing happened and so it still looks bad by design and the only thing people will see is "OMG I cant get this mount anymore, I want it, it is so unfair" instead of "just get one of the reskins or lookalikes". This could have been solved by such a system in place.
A very recent interview from FrostyTV at least showed some promise (even though it is a bit foolish to be hyped about PvP things still before seeing them) , it may be addressed in some way, even if the mode will be more casual (its already pretty casual but whatever I guess)
Frosty: You also mentioned this PvP content might be a bit more “casual,” but will there still be room for those who want challenging PvP content with rankings? Will this content feature any sort of leaderboard or competitive aspect that current Feast players can look forward to?
Naoki Yoshida: I do feel that an element of competition is very important, so I would like to continue supporting that aspect moving forward. Furthermore, I plan on implementing a new reward system in order to increase the number of competitors joining.
Yeah I made that thread. https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...7-Tioman-MountQuote:
Originally Posted by Kuroka
It is a hellhound lookalike with wings. It would make people happy that want such kinda mounts I guess.
Yeah I wouldn't have minded old seasonal event items being available again in the next year, but they sold them in the mogstation instead then, okay I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaynide
But I still think you are missing the point with the previous post?! I mean, it is fine if you don't care personally about anything who gets which items. But some people do, like in PvP, and they have pretty good reasons imo why they care. I don't farm sb mounts either, I play more casual too, but I still think it's wrong to release old seasonal PvP mounts or 1.0 items. I don't think it is hurting the game to have rare items which you can't get anymore. -
05-11-2021, 12:37 AMAlleoYet the game stomps on everyone else effort. Even the ones that beat the hardest 1.0 fight got their rewards torn from their hands. Yet PVP which has their numbers of cheaters, bots and win traders are somehow completely out of that? (Funny enough just yesterday another thread on reddit popped up with someone that will probably stop playing ranked pvp because of that)For me its either: Be fair and release stuff from every type of content or let everything stay unique.Quote:
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Also Ishgard restoration only had titles. There is no special mount there which is kinda interesting seeing how its the crafting and gathering pvp. And titles at least so far have stayed at least somewhat exlusive to their content. -
05-11-2021, 03:30 AMNayoutThe mounts for 100 wins are never going to be put for a simple reason, in PVP you have to compete with other players and the value of these mounts is never lost because there are no "easy paths" like the ones they have put in PVE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolwosh
That it exists, it exists is a problem but some seem to try to say that 99% of the top 100 use some kind of cheat when the reality is different and it depends on how you try to deal with the frustration because I have a "friendo"who is 5 * in Primal who has fought some of these things and he's in that positionQuote:
Originally Posted by Deceptus
That you continue to use the example of the fight against Nael makes me laugh. If Nael's combat was available until today, if FFXIV had not been launching in 2.0 the combat would have the same value as Alexander Savage, none. The value of what you speak comes from a problem external to the combat itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
The top 100 of The Feast has never been devalued even if the game had not been released in 2.0 they would have the same value because you cannot "nerf" the players as it happens with all the PVE of this game, the PVP is always synchronized.
In any case, Yoshida knows this and that is why he has never put the PVP rewards for which they can continue crying, it will not change anything. Do you want Frontline or The Feast rewards? Play them -
05-11-2021, 04:52 AMAnotherPersonWhich is why I say there should be reskinned mounts for everyone to obtain, but the certain design of the same kind of mount should be limited because it's treated as a special reward. Crafting is difficult, but it doesn't pose much of a challenge in the same sense as PvP does, it's just a grind once you get to expert recipes. There's no skill matching competition between who can make better recipes since everyone can maximize a collectability of an item after getting scrip gear at lv 80, it's just the amount of time & materials you are willing to sink into it. The real barrier to entry is just having a lv 80 crafter or gatherer. However, just because you downplay titles' importance, doesn't mean other people don't view titles in the same light as a mount in terms of rarity. After all, they're all cosmetic effects and any mount has the same exact purpose. The only difference is showing them off - which is the purpose of the title and the mount exclusivity for those who chose to free their time and dedicate it towards that particular event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
And botting is everywhere. Especially in crafting. SE is working on preventing rampant botting in general. And all of you who do complain about cheating in PvP, have you actually tried PvP AND went up the tiers? Anyone who reached the high end ranked PvP knows rampant botting doesn't exist past a certain point because it's very easy for high end players to suppress bots and drop their rank down again. If you do encounter cheaters, you just report them and move on - it's easy to deal with cheaters in PvP and GMs there take reports seriously when it comes to ranked competition. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't affect your placements because you would still have the requisite skill to beat others in PvP to continue climbing past that rank. If you didn't, then you still wouldn't be able to hit top 100 regardless so the rewards wouldn't have been affected in the slightest.
If anything, bots help you reach Silver rank faster since you can suppress them easier, giving everyone a better chance to reach gold and above (because it's still going to take over hundreds of games to get there if you aren't a top tier player to accumulate experience and figure out why you aren't progressing). If you can't suppress a bot in PvP, you're definitely not going to be able to get to the top 100 and get the mount or any decent reward anyway.