When will fans turn on Yoshi P?

The disdain the WoW community has with it's developers is way more complex and rooted deeper than just "Getting an expansion wrong." If you somehow think that all It would take for fans of FFXIV to show the level of distrust and contempt towards Yoshi P. is messing up a single expansion, you truly don't understand this game or it's community.

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Originally Posted by Selova

The disdain the WoW community has with it's developers is way more complex and rooted deeper than just "Getting an expansion wrong." If you somehow think that all It would take for fans of FFXIV to show the level of distrust and contempt towards Yoshi P. is messing up a single expansion, you truly don't understand this game or it's community.

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That disdain is well-earned. In fact, setting aside recent events, it's largely disdain that's bred from disdain. If Ion Hazzikostas wasn't such an aloof, taciturn, arrogant git, people might have at least had a bit of good will left going into the whole sexual harassment scandal. Modern Blizzard doesn't talk to the playerbase - at all. They don't have class leads anymore; they don't field questions (outside of Blizzcon, where - unsurprisingly - they've frequently been embarrassed by inquiries shouted at them from the bleachers); they don't talk about their vision for the game; they don't ask their customer base what they want - they act like they've done nothing but poop golden eggs for the past 2 decades.

So it would take a turnabout of that magnitude on the part of SE's top brass to see something similar occur here. Blizzard's fans aren't (or weren't) the petulant children that Blizzard collectively saw them as - not until they were treated like imbeciles. Amazingly, when you're openly scornful of your bread and butter, things tend to go south fast - especially when your executives can't keep it in their pants on the side.

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

That disdain is well-earned. In fact, setting aside recent events, it's largely disdain that's bred from disdain. If Ion Hazzikostas wasn't such an aloof, taciturn, arrogant git, people might have at least had a bit of good will left going into the whole sexual harassment scandal. Modern Blizzard doesn't talk to the playerbase - at all. They don't have class leads anymore; they don't field questions (outside of Blizzcon, where - unsurprisingly - they've frequently been embarrassed by inquiries shouted at them from the bleachers); they don't talk about their vision for the game; they don't ask their customer base what they want - they act like they've done nothing but poop golden eggs for the past 2 decades.

So it would take a turnabout of that magnitude on the part of SE's top brass to see something similar occur here. Blizzard's fans aren't (or weren't) the petulant children that Blizzard collectively saw them as - not until they were treated like imbeciles. Amazingly, when you're openly scornful of your bread and butter, things tend to go south fast - especially when your executives can't keep it in their pants on the side.

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I am seeing a trend with the OP's threads...

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I am seeing a trend with the OP's threads...

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It's strange how relevant the topic ended up being though. lol Not necessarily what the OP said (let's face it, it was mostly nonsense) but the discussion that resulted months later.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

No, they didnt ask for that. But at some point, the Devs just gave up for some reason. They dont want to listen to their comm anymore. Maybe because of frustration or lazyness.
Listen to the community is good. But listen too much is not. If you re a game designer, its YOUR game. You need feedback from your fans, of course. But should never forgot your roots ; )

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They could have at least listened to the private testers. They didn't even do that. They love their bubble. Now they are paying for that.

with WoW and hunters, I think before WoD, there was a thread for hunters where Blizzard said we are listening, two capped threads on everything wrong, well laid out, with what they were doing with hunters. the only blue post was the first one and zero changed. and every bad thing made it into the release. nothing was changed.

Blizzard tells you how to play and essentially says "if you dont like it, dont let the door hit you on the way out"

they have years of experience in doing just that with the people paying their salaries. Yoshi and crew dont appear cut from the same cloth, and you can tell. I agree they shouldnt listen to all player feedback, but they do seem to listen and are at least transparent. Something Blizzard seems to avoid with a passion

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

with WoW and hunters, I think before WoD, there was a thread for hunters where Blizzard said we are listening, two capped threads on everything wrong, well laid out, with what they were doing with hunters. the only blue post was the first one and zero changed. and every bad thing made it into the release. nothing was changed.

Blizzard tells you how to play and essentially says "if you dont like it, dont let the door hit you on the way out"

they have years of experience in doing just that with the people paying their salaries. Yoshi and crew dont appear cut from the same cloth, and you can tell. I agree they shouldnt listen to all player feedback, but they do seem to listen and are at least transparent. Something Blizzard seems to avoid with a passion

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We need to remember that Yoshi and his crew began FFXIV with the ultimate slapdown: their game sucked, and nobody wanted to play it. If you legitimately care about what you're doing, an experience like that can permanently humble you. And I think that's precisely why the second iteration of this game is so good.

There's no room for cocky disregard for the player when you were gifted a rare second chance after a strikeout and managed to hit a home run.

Yoshi P gave us Male Viera and before that he saved ff14 , he can do no wrong ever. unless he does somthing really messed up outside of game I dont see anyone turning on him over in game stuff.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Oh, you sweet innocent summer child.

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I look forward to the people ingame proving me wrong. Until that time, I'm going to put these forums at the bottom of the list of quality community. lol