What is the point of mount drops...

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

With numbers comes variety, when you have 20 unique models that you can choose from and 20 recollors, that still less variety than 100 unique models and 200 recollors. And I'm not even talking about that this could be an actual content to farm in game.
But hey, this is meaningless if "wish to see improvements" is complaining and numbers in MMORPG means nothing.
For real though, about immersion. It was dead long time ago, when it became just theme park for FF fans. Bikini warrior flies on her bed to save the day, by killing her group spamming holy, uwu. So beds and chairs just looking lazy, when you dont have much mounts in the first place.

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Oh, I'm all for improvements and variety. I don't even disagree that WoW has more to do out in the world, even if it has the exact same "problem" as FF in that the actual volume of activities depends largely on what you personally find fun to do. My one and only point was that it's kinda silly to complain about FF Mounts being reused and silly when WoW also has several mounts that are reused and/or silly. I personally think WoW does several things better than FF (and several other things worse), but I personally wouldn't raise up a lack of silliness or immersion as reasons WoW did anything better. WoW has plenty of silliness and immersion-breaking nonsense.

Honestly I am kind of curious how the numbers actually would stack up, if you actually took the time to total all recolors in both games and compare actual unique model counts. I'm sure WoW would still be higher, but right now it's got a little less than twice as many mounts, and then you've got to consider it's nearly twice as old as a game... eh. Interesting to think about, but not something I'm personally all that worried about. I have plenty of mounts that I love in FF, and I use them quite often myself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

OK I get what you're saying and understand your complaint. Compared to other MMOs I've played, FFXIV's open-world content is quite lacking. But I think the approach you went with on this thread was rather rash. You should have, instead, opened the stage up to new ideas of more things we might be able to do in the open world.

For example, I personally would like it if we had more reasons to do FATEs and/or treasure maps. The problem with focusing on FATEs is that if it draws in too many players, it often becomes unfun. I don't want another Fox Lady. I'm thinking more of a variety of different FATEs I'm able to choose from in order to work towards a certain goal. What that goal is, I'll leave to your imagination.

I know this will seem kind of a stretch, and would never happen, but drastically increasing teleport costs and make it so that people might consider physically traveling to the places they want to go, might make for an interesting experience. Or even if dungeons/raids were only accessible through their respective entrances, so that you could meet up outside with other players who are planning on doing them. It brings me back to a few ancient MMOs I used to play.

There is plenty of stuff to use flying for.
Beast tribes
Hunting
Fate farming
Gathering resources
Side quests you do later
Job quests you do later
MSQ that takes you back to those zones later

A lot of the above would be absolutely horrible without flight. Certain beast tribes are even impossible without it.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

OK I get what you're saying and understand your complaint. Compared to other MMOs I've played, FFXIV's open-world content is quite lacking. But I think the approach you went with on this thread was rather rash.

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This was actually the point; to posit it in an almost trollish way.

There are those that will not understand like Valkyrie and reply with "JUST DO ALL THESE THINGS DERRRR" or "JUST TRY WALKING LULZ" and those like yourself that give it a bit more thought than that and understand the obfuscated point I'm making. The other folks are precisely why I did not introduce it in a different manner. I'm not interested in what they have to say if they aren't actually going to give it some thought.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

This was actually the point; to posit it in an almost trollish way.

There are those that will not understand like Valkyrie and reply with "JUST DO ALL THESE THINGS DERRRR" or "JUST TRY WALKING LULZ" and those like yourself that give it a bit more thought than that and understand the obfuscated point I'm making. The other folks are precisely why I did not introduce it in a different manner. I'm not interested in what they have to say if they aren't actually going to give it some thought.

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Sorry to say, but you aren't helping your case when you use methods like that. Also, I spent several years playing games that relied only on open world content. There were no instances. They are great, when server populations are low and you can actually do the content. Not so much fun when you have to fight just to do basic content.

So you say, but better to put it out in such a way that gets some responses instead of pushed down by all of the "LOOK AT MY PRETTY CHARACTER" threads. I would say 7 pages is successful.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

So you say, but better to put it out in such a way that gets some responses instead of pushed down by all of the "LOOK AT MY PRETTY CHARACTER" threads. I would say 7 pages is successful.

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I only see 2 pages. And also, the pretty character threads are popular because they are things most people agree on and aren't made in trollish manners.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

So you say, but better to put it out in such a way that gets some responses instead of pushed down by all of the "LOOK AT MY PRETTY CHARACTER" threads. I would say 7 pages is successful.

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And with that, you lose integrity and your approach is disingenuous. How do we know when we raise a valid point you can't argue against that you're not going to move the goal post? Where else might you be disingenuous? Or are you in fact just a troll? I'm strongly now suspecting the latter.

If your topic is not strong enough to grip people, then that reflects how much people care about the topic. You going in trying to be clickbaity doesn't add value it potentially adds views if they come in expecting the title to be reflective of the topic and loses you the integrity of any points you raise and thus is a waste of people's time when they're addressing what they believed to be the point of the thread, which they understandably deduced from the thread title and a post that doesn't correct that meaning now that they are here.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

So you say, but better to put it out in such a way that gets some responses instead of pushed down by all of the "LOOK AT MY PRETTY CHARACTER" threads. I would say 7 pages is successful.

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To be honest: I recall you creating threads about wanting more open world content at least once, maybe twice (and I admit I'm to lazy to look it up) - those were direct in stating what you wanted, that you went through all the open world content there is and so on...

...and what you got is what you got here: Lots of people telling you that they still have a lot of open world content to engage in, making suggestions for you what to try out only to be met with "done that, dont wanna do this, its not enough", then followed by explantions like "They can only release so much content, FFXIV has lots of different kinds of content and has never had a heavy focus on the open world (maybe look for a game that does)".
With that in mind this thread doesnt look so much like (just) a troll-thread but more like "I couldnt get people to agree with me when I said directly what I wanted, maybe if I disguise it...!" - your approach here really isnt all that convincing (mounts are there as a convenince so you spent less time in the open world, instead of having to walk everywhere - if you want to increase your open world time: Best way to do that is to delete mounts from your hotbar), so at least to me this appeared as only a thinly veiled try to repeat something that people already told you they dont really agree on.