what excuse will they use for there being no female hrothgar in the bozja citadel?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm a little surprised. You've clearly been following the male viera thread pretty closely due to how often you've been posting in it, so I would have thought you'd have seen that pretty much every active poster there has been saying that very thing - that they'd rather not see actual content sacrificed for the sake of seeing the missing genders added to the game.

Though with Square Enix being such a wealthy and influential company I don't think it's unreasonable to hope for and push for the best of both worlds - with the game receiving a bigger budget/more developers so that we can get new content and the missing genders added within a reasonable time-frame.

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We still have to factor in them developing games and trying to release them within the next few years. 14 is the main cash cow and they're milking it very hard

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Originally Posted by Lauront

The problem comes down to defining what actual content is. A lot of people would consider character customisation and appearance to enhance their enjoyment of the content. Whereas, you can count on a single hand how many people enjoy PVP in this game. Okay, perhaps an exaggeration, but it's a tiny, tiny minority, and yet they keep pouring money down this sink hole and still it shows little improvement. Ultimately, I do think they fall prey to the sunk cost fallacy at times with several forms of content. Maybe they'll eventually hit the right notes with PVP, who knows, but they should be priorisiting their resource flow in terms of where it enhances the product the most. It's questionable that they always do that.

I think with them cutting down a few dungeons per expansion, they will free up team resources to do a number of other things, depending on how they use them. Dungeons are pretty intensive in terms of how much they need to design, and ultimately, for a project like converting the textures to high res (previously, they gave an example of a trade-off for implementing this as being a reduction in the output of new gear... which I don't think is something most players would truly mind), it is gruntwork which does not require a hugely specialised skillset, either within the company or Japan. My hope is that they're gearing up to improve on the graphics for 6.0 and are reducing their workload elsewhere with this in mind. I also hope that there will be more of a focus on giving the existing jobs interesting abilities for 6.0... and no doubt, they're considering how to go about a new healer.

Where people lose faith is when nothing comes in to replace the content being cut... but for now, I wait and see.

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what I mean by actual content is things like raids dungeon quality 24 man raids pvp zones. Combat related things. Also crafting related. I personally wouldn't mind there being less galmours which there already are a huge amount of or perhaps a couple less mounts or emotes or things related to side activities like those to finish both genders of the new races (the current ones seem liek something way too amateurish for ffxiv imo) but I really would not want the devs to remove scheduled raids limited jobs pvp scenes dungeons etc for the sake of a side activity which there's already a decent amount of options on like customization is

Well, they've already cut a dungeon per every other patch, so the question now is what they're going to do with the freed up resources. People had said dungeons were a red line but the loss of those 2 dungeons over an expansion doesn't seem to have gone down too poorly. I think the issue is that dungeons are increasingly falling into the bracket of content people do whilst farming experts and then forget about... there's no higher reward to them and they're not really any challenge, either. On the other hand, they require significant design work for what they are.

In all honesty, unless they were to introduce something like "savage" dungeons, it's really raids and trials which are priority content... and even then, they probably would stick to the new model of one dungeon per patch.

Personally, I am sceptical as to the value of both PVP and limited jobs, the latter being a novel creation, which many were opposed to on the eve of 5.0, and I hope they come under a re-assessment for 6.0. They probably have their hands tied with BLU, since it's now in and they promised to keep updating it, but as to adding any further ones, there really has to be a case that it's value for money before proceeding, and also that it would not dilute their focus on proper DOW/DOM jobs.

Of course, I would agree that the missing genders alone are a slightly niche project, but if the goal is to update overall customisation, textures and graphics for 6.0, and by implication also make it easier to add those, it's harder to argue this would not be more value-additive than some content with low uptake but high maintenance or addition costs being cut, especially when it could expand the game's lifespan and increase interest in it.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I personally wouldn't mind there being less galmours which there already are a huge amount of or perhaps a couple less mounts or emotes or things related to side activities like those to finish both genders of the new races

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Yeah, there's a huge amount of ugly glamour options available, emotes they just sell on the mogstation (different team), and we barely EVER get new mounts unless they are added to the mogstation.

I'd rather have more cosmetic rewards than more limited trash viera/hrothgar personally. That or add me a lot of hair to my viera. Either way, more important than male viera/fem hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yeah, there's a huge amount of ugly glamour options available, emotes they just sell on the mogstation (different team), and we barely EVER get new mounts unless they are added to the mogstation.

I'd rather have more cosmetic rewards than more limited trash viera/hrothgar personally. That or add me a lot of hair to my viera. Either way, more important than male viera/fem hrothgar.

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Barely ever get new mounts unless they are on mogstation...? Reallllly? So the mount from blu doesn't count, or the one added to pvp? Oh wait lemme guess you just get mad if they don't give you a cool mount for free huh? The people with a hate boner for mogstation, you know that actually rarely do get updated with real new stuff is always hilarious.

"Omg, they put up 1 mount on mogstation! Grrrr how dare they even though there's a ton to earn in-game that vastly overshadows the shops amount but grrr I want everything for free or easy!"

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Originally Posted by NealSnow

Barely ever get new mounts unless they are on mogstation...? Reallllly? So the mount from blu doesn't count, or the one added to pvp? Oh wait lemme guess you just get mad if they don't give you a cool mount for free huh? The people with a hate boner for mogstation, you know that actually rarely do get updated with real new stuff is always hilarious.

"Omg, they put up 1 mount on mogstation! Grrrr how dare they even though there's a ton to earn in-game that vastly overshadows the shops amount but grrr I want everything for free or easy!"

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You seem to be assuming a lot of things. I have spent hundreds on the mogstation. I have most of the outfits on the mogstation, and I usually buy multiple fantasias a month. I don't dislike the mogstation at all.

Yes, the mount from blu doesn't count. I didn't even know there was a mount for blu. I barely even acknowledge the existance of blue. I don't know where my blu weapon is. I haven't even played blu since the second day it came out. The one added to PvP is something I will never get. PvP is trash, and it takes a miracle from Jesus Christ to even win. I don't even have a hundred wins total in frontline. I do not get mad about this. You should read the things I actually get mad about. They are a lot more petty.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

You seem to be assuming a lot of things. I have spent hundreds on the mogstation. I have most of the outfits on the mogstation, and I usually buy multiple fantasias a month. I don't dislike the mogstation at all.

Yes, the mount from blu doesn't count. I didn't even know there was a mount for blu. I barely even acknowledge the existance of blue. I don't know where my blu weapon is. I haven't even played blu since the second day it came out. The one added to PvP is something I will never get. PvP is trash, and it takes a miracle from Jesus Christ to even win. I don't even have a hundred wins total in frontline. I do not get mad about this. You should read the things I actually get mad about. They are a lot more petty.

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So you spend money but complain about it? Either you're a troll or just idiotic, because that's like if I hated on burger king or any fast food joint and still bought it.

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Originally Posted by NealSnow

So you spend money but complain about it? Either you're a troll or just idiotic, because that's like if I hated on burger king or any fast food joint and still bought it.

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Who said I was complaining? And yes, I was replying to zeylos, that is a joke post. Christ almighty. Lord give me strength.

I literally never complain about the mogstation, and I could quote myself multiple times literally advocating for more to be added to the mogstation. I put "(different team)" because the mogstation team is a different team, so getting items added to that in no way hinders the actual development of the game. Again, you are assuming a lot of things. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the hammock?

Bah nevermind Sturm, I did indeed read that wrong. The way it was worded I thought you were complaining about mog as I've seen a lotta people say there's barely any ingame and only place to get mounts is mog.

So indeed my mistake. And yes BLU is a pathetic existence. Hope they never do a limited job again.

Probably get the same reasoning as to why there's no male Vii on the first. "They're around, just separate"

Though I think there's a low chance. Maybe 15% or 20% of them using the opportunity to preview female Hrothgar models. If they're planning on eventually releasing them for 6.0 I mean. I dont think they'd upset anyone by doing this cause it would imply they'd be coming eventually.