Dear Healers

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Originally Posted by Makeda

Goliath tanks... is this the part where two add tanks spawn on opposite corners and we split between them?

I've noticed many times that I get 3 tanks on one and 0 on the other... or my whole group goes to one marked for it... except for our tank... who goes to the other one...

I notice things like that on several ad spawns in there... even when we put down the A, B, C marks - either a healer or a tank goes with the wrong group. In the chaos I've done it a few times myself... so it's more when it becomes a pattern that it gets annoying.

I need to try tanking that place... except my GNB didn't need any of the gear and my SCH was the least geared 80 I had when it came out... I wonder how many other people are using it for that - gearing their alt jobs. we've had gear at or better than it for so long now even people like me that are NOT doing savage raids generally don't need the gear from it for our main jobs. For people actually in savage the Alliance raid is a waste of time except for on that 'alt job' they rarely use otherwise... So there's kinda bound to be some confusion...

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Yes, that fight has two phases of adds - one of the 2 tanks in opposing corners, the other with the mini versions of boss 1 in ABC setup.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

I need to try tanking that place... except my GNB didn't need any of the gear and my SCH was the least geared 80 I had when it came out... I wonder how many other people are using it for that - gearing their alt jobs. we've had gear at or better than it for so long now even people like me that are NOT doing savage raids generally don't need the gear from it for our main jobs. For people actually in savage the Alliance raid is a waste of time except for on that 'alt job' they rarely use otherwise... So there's kinda bound to be some confusion...

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I feel like this phase when loot is restricted is the best time to be gearing for alt jobs, because there's far less chance that people will be rolling Need on pieces they're entitled to when they can only choose one piece per week. It's the best opportunity for acquiring tank/healer gear, or any role you're not keen on actually taking into the raid, that might simply be abandoned otherwise.

lmao what a nice piece of a fanart to summarize all of this
https://i.redd.it/p27kvrv9hw141.png

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Originally Posted by Freyt

lmao what a nice piece of a fanart to summarize all of this
https://i.redd.it/p27kvrv9hw141.png

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So next time, as a tank, stay in the middle in that healing zone, and let the tank adds frontal the entire raid and wipe everyone.

Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by JBee

So next time, as a tank, stay in the middle in that healing zone, and let the tank adds frontal the entire raid and wipe everyone.

Gotcha.

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That whooshing sound? That's you missing the point. The point of that comic is how his entire group is spread all over to Timbuktu, the other healer is dead, and people are wondering why they don't get healed. His tank is INSIDE his healing range. I'd imagine it's a DPS complaining about no healing.

Regardless, in that instance, I'm going where the tank goes and if no one else follows: If they die, they die.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

That whooshing sound? That's you missing the point. The point of that comic is how his entire group is spread all over to Timbuktu, the other healer is dead, and people are wondering why they don't get healed. His tank is INSIDE his healing range. I'd imagine it's a DPS complaining about no healing.

Regardless, in that instance, I'm going where the tank goes and if no one else follows: If they die, they die.

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I'm sorry, you must be mistaken. No whooshing sound here. You should perhaps go back to the original post and see how they are talking about this moment in this fight... Unless you want the tanks to cleave the raid, they better well not be standing in the middle. That comic is very much representing how they can't be everywhere at once, and a lot of people are out of their range....

But fact is, you can't be a healer standing in the middle of that area in that part of the fight and expect anything else. It's like lighting your clothes on fire and complaining you're warm. I like this artist's comics - seen them for quite some time. But in this case, no, they are just showing their lack of knowledge of the fight or their stubbornness.

Granted, it's a strange part of the fight. 3 groups, 2 mobs to fight. No real accepted way to deal with it. If there were, or if there were three tanks instead of two, something, wouldn't be an issue.

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Originally Posted by JBee

I'm sorry, you must be mistaken. No whooshing sound here. You should perhaps go back to the original post and see how they are talking about this moment in this fight... Unless you want the tanks to cleave the raid, they better well not be standing in the middle. That comic is very much representing how they can't be everywhere at once, and a lot of people are out of their range....

But fact is, you can't be a healer standing in the middle of that area in that part of the fight and expect anything else. It's like lighting your clothes on fire and complaining you're warm. I like this artist's comics - seen them for quite some time. But in this case, no, they are just showing their lack of knowledge of the fight or their stubbornness.

Granted, it's a strange part of the fight. 3 groups, 2 mobs to fight. No real accepted way to deal with it. If there were, or if there were three tanks instead of two, something, wouldn't be an issue.

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Or you know they were using visual metaphor to explain the limits of the healer's range and the fact that their party was spread out. It looks less like an endorsement of 'I'm staying in the middle, get cleaved losers' and more 'I have to run between these two points because my party is incapable of watching where our resident tank has gone and I'm getting blamed for their outright stupidity'. Which, frankly, is fair. It's why almost every healer who runs that instance has to adopt a mentality of 'if they die, they die' to any DPS who decides to attack the opposite add of the party tank. Could they have gotten that across more clearly? Certainly. However I really don't at any point get the sense that the artist is endorsing staying in the middle, more the futility of the entire situation.

Dear healers.

Thank you for trying your best.
Love you, even when things go south.

The few times I grabbed a Goliath Tank, my healers healed me.

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Originally Posted by JBee

I'm sorry, you must be mistaken. No whooshing sound here. You should perhaps go back to the original post and see how they are talking about this moment in this fight... Unless you want the tanks to cleave the raid, they better well not be standing in the middle. That comic is very much representing how they can't be everywhere at once, and a lot of people are out of their range....

But fact is, you can't be a healer standing in the middle of that area in that part of the fight and expect anything else. .

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The comic doesn't say anything about where the tank should stand.

The clear message I'm seeing is "please make sure the entire party stands around one tank so the healer can move to a position where everyone is within healing range at once."

The healer is clearly trying to position themselves at the midpoint of where all the other party members are standing - which is the ineffective middle of the arena because the others are too spread out, not because they chose it.