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    Dear Healers

    I know you want us to tank the Goliath tanks so the raid doesnt get hit by the tankbusters.
    So if you want us to continuing to tank them we'd really appreciate the 2 of you not hanging over the opposite side of the map with the tank that we are not tanking.
    Regards: the tank that keeps dying due to getting zero heals tanking the other Goliath in every single Nier run.
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    the same could be said about you the tank who isn't with his party and attacking the wrong goliath tank XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner View Post
    the same could be said about you the tank who isn't with his party and attacking the wrong goliath tank XD
    Except from experience from every run all parties run and attack one goliath tank while a tank is left alone bar maybe 2 dps with them that end up getting agro when the tank dies.
    I've yet to see a run where there have been seperate parties for each goliath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalwrath View Post
    Except from experience from every run all parties run and attack one goliath tank while a tank is left alone bar maybe 2 dps with them that end up getting agro when the tank dies.
    I've yet to see a run where there have been seperate parties for each goliath.
    then you just haven't been in a party with me,don't worry i would have kept you safe ^^
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    Magni Henriksson
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    The few times I grabbed a Goliath Tank, my healers healed me.
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    Last edited by Fredco191; 12-01-2019 at 07:13 PM. Reason: "The few times a I"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalwrath View Post
    Except from experience from every run all parties run and attack one goliath tank while a tank is left alone bar maybe 2 dps with them that end up getting agro when the tank dies.
    I've yet to see a run where there have been seperate parties for each goliath.
    All runs I have done never seen this happen. I see parties staying together as a group. Most time I see them using markers for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner View Post
    the same could be said about you the tank who isn't with his party and attacking the wrong goliath tank XD
    Hold up.

    Last boss, "Engage Goliath Tank Support" fires, dropping two tanks on the field. Both tanks will tank buster multiple times. Kill both. Boss picks one at random to explode, where the raid has to run to the opposite corner to hide behind the corpse of the other tank, wait for the explosion, and then run back out to avoid the explosion of the corpse they just used as cover.

    There are two tanks being engaged simultaneously - not three... Not the adds phases of the bosses in this zone where A B and C separate, but two corners of the field.

    If one of my healers told me I was on the wrong tank for that specific part, where there is no set or accepted placement of A B and C (at least from what I have seen, and I think I've ran this as a tank now moire times than I care to admit to), then that screams to me the healer is just trying to cover their own mistakes.

    Healers INTENTIONALLY not staying in range of their tank, for whatever reason, is bad form and bad play. Just like it's bad form to AFK through a Labryrinth alliance run cause you know they won't get a vote off before the 5 minute window, and the loot will protect you the rest of the time.

    Typically, but not always, and at least on Aether.... Whoever is tanking the boss stays in the middle. When the goliath tanks are dropping, the other two tanks generally tank stance up and grab them. Not always, though, and sometimes the MT will try to grab all three for no reason at all. But that's not concrete.

    Now if A's tank role was at C's spot in an ABC adds phase, that's different. That's when saying something about wrong spot, over here, ac "Rescue" or something comes into play.
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    The job with one of the best invulnerabilities, and the most self healing, complaining about a lack of heals and dying. C'mon man.

    Though I'd agree, healers not helping out tanks not in their party is an issue. Always fun to see a combination 6 WHM/AST and not a single regen on the tank.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    I got one.

    Dear healer, regardless of whether or not I am the main tank in the alliance raid or not, I am still in your party, and require support just like the DPS. I am not trying to fight the current main tank for aggro, nor am I purposely taking unnecessary damage, I am merely maintaining my place on the threat table. If the main tank happens to die, they did, I expect my healers to be supporting me. I don't wanna hear any bullcrap that I am fighting for dominance, or that because I am not the MT I don't need to be healed. The point is "I" am in "YOUR" party, so you are supposed to support us first, and the other parties second. But what do I know, I just main healer and care about my party's safety.

    Fruckin Pleeb. Yes this is a real thing that happened to me. A healer in my party, for a WoD run wouldn't heal me because I wasn't the MT. Meanwhile the other Tanks kept dying because they were new and inexperienced and so, as it should, threat defaulted to me. But because I "wasn't the MT" they wouldn't heal me. Which caused me to die, and nearly wiped us several times. Even though at that moment I was the MT. Yeah, to say I was bitter is an understatement.
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    Last edited by Eloah; 11-23-2019 at 05:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    I got one.

    Dear healer, regardless of whether or not I am the main tank in the alliance raid or not, I am still in your party, and require support just like the DPS. I am not trying to fight the current main tank for aggro, nor am I purposely taking unnecessary damage, I am merely maintaining my place on the threat table. If the main tank happens to die, they did, I expect my healers to be supporting me. I don't wanna hear any bullcrap that I am fighting for dominance, or that because I am not the MT I don't need to be healed. The point is "I" am in "YOUR" party, so you are supposed to support us first, and the other parties second. But what do I know, I just main healer and care about my party's safety.

    Fruckin Pleeb. Yes this is a real think that happened to me. A healer in my party, for a WoD run wouldn't heal me because I wasn't the MT. Meanwhile the other Tanks kept dying because they were new and inexperienced and so, as it should, threat defaulted to me. But because I "wasn't the MT" they wouldn't heal me. Which caused me to die, and nearly wiped us several times. Even though at that moment I was the MT. Yeah, to say I was bitter is an understatement.
    that is a joke right?
    no healer in his right mind wouldn't heal his own party tank cause he isn't main tank,seriously if such a healer exist it would be humiliating as someone playing a healer to know such stupidity exists.
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