Eureka wasn't so bad, but endgame in ffxiv is lacking without eureka

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

I hope Eureka never returns. It's the worst way they could've handled the relic grind. Incredibly solo-unfriendly, more tedious than it should be and there's no alternative options to grind it like ARR and HW had. The old relic grinds were a better solution in keeping the open world alive and relevant and that's saying something.

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Relic has never been good at keeping the open-world alive, you have people forced onto doing boring content, RNG reliant and also force you to seen other players as competition. If they bring back something similar to the books you will be reading "Eureka was a better system. This is xxxxxx!" All the relic grind, with the exception of the first ARR step, have been bad.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Relic has never been good at keeping the open-world alive and if they added the same system once again like in ARR you will be reading "Eureka was a better system. This is xxxxxx!" All the relic grind, with the exception of the first ARR step, have been garbage.

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I never implied the relic grind is good anyway, but I'd rather have more options to grind my relic weapons than whatever Eureka is supposed to achieve. That alone makes the old relic grinds a lot more bearable.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

I never implied the relic grind is good anyway, but I'd rather have more options to grind my relic weapons than whatever Eureka is supposed to achieve. That alone makes the old relic grinds a lot more bearable.

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What more options? A few HW steps have certain alternatives, sure, but that's about it. For ARR you do the books or you do the books, you do the dungeons or you do the dungeons, you... well, you get what I mean.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

What more options? A few HW steps have certain alternatives, sure, but that's about it. For ARR you do the books or you do the books, you do the dungeons or you do the dungeons, you... well, you get what I mean.

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There's some variety in the dungeons at least, but ARR's grind wasn't really good. That and the old relic grinds were more accessible even today, meanwhile Eureka is its own thing separate from the actual game and it's currently dead (or at least that's what I think coming from what people are saying) and that's not a good thing.

I like a few others in this topic enjoyed Eureka was the closest to FFXI, it was not perfect by any means but I liked it. I am just plodding along as do not do Savage I prefer a open world experience.
It was good because gave people a choice and more options. I never did the last part.

I am hoping they will be adding more eureka. Does anybody know if there will be or any news on the horizon?

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Relic has never been good at keeping the open-world alive, you have people forced onto doing boring content, RNG reliant and also force you to seen other players as competition. If they bring back something similar to the books you will be reading "Eureka was a better system. This is xxxxxx!" All the relic grind, with the exception of the first ARR step, have been bad.

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People do nothing but complain about relic on this forum. It's been that way as long as I've been here. Please please give us something new and the dev team does and as expected the standard fare is to continue to complain about relic.

I personally was super pleased to get something new. I've enjoyed the open world nature of Eureka and took many of my alts through the process. BA was quite fun and I sincerely hope we get something similar to BA in the next itineration of the relic process with an improved match making process.

I'd like to see something new this go around but some sort of blend with the open world used in Eureka would be more than fine by me. The last thing I want to do is to have to do more books, spam dungeons for RNG drops, collect 2 billion tomes and so on running old boring content.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

There's some variety in the dungeons at least, but ARR's grind wasn't really good. That and the old relic grinds were more accessible even today, meanwhile Eureka is its own thing separate from the actual game and it's currently dead (or at least that's what I think coming from what people are saying) and that's not a good thing.

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I have to admit, I particularly ignored all the Stormblood dungeons because they simply had no purpose once they were out of Expert Roulette. The Beast Tribes also fell into that same problem. Once you did their quest chain, there was no reason to ever talk with them again. EXP I guess but Heavensward's relic made both relevant throughout the expansion. That said, I'm not opposed to Eureka... if they actually improve upon it. Just another mindless "kill a bunch of trash and zerg down a NM" would be immensely disappointing.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

People do nothing but complain about relic on this forum. It's been that way as long as I've been here. Please please give us something new and the dev team does and as expected the standard fare is to continue to complain about relic.

I personally was super pleased to get something new. I've enjoyed the open world nature of Eureka and took many of my alts through the process. BA was quite fun and I sincerely hope we get something similar to BA in the next itineration of the relic process with an improved match making process.

I'd like to see something new this go around but some sort of blend with the open world used in Eureka would be more than fine by me. The last thing I want to do is to have to do more books, spam dungeons for RNG drops, collect 2 billion tomes and so on running old boring content.

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Could it because the relic chains tend to be uninspired? Both ARR and HW had horrendously tedious grinds, especially the former. Whereas Eureka was essentially a glorified FATE train where all we do is mindless kill mobs that have zero mechanics and aren't much of a threat. Had they taken some of the suggestions people offered following Anemos, like quest chain, hunting logs, possible challenges and etc. I wager there would be far less complaining.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

I have to admit, I particularly ignored all the Stormblood dungeons because they simply had no purpose once they were out of Expert Roulette. The Beast Tribes also fell into that same problem. Once you did their quest chain, there was no reason to ever talk with them again. EXP I guess but Heavensward's relic made both relevant throughout the expansion. That said, I'm not opposed to Eureka... if they actually improve upon it. Just another mindless "kill a bunch of trash and zerg down a NM" would be immensely disappointing.



Could it because the relic chains tend to be uninspired? Both ARR and HW had horrendously tedious grinds, especially the former. Whereas Eureka was essentially a glorified FATE train where all we do is mindless kill mobs that have zero mechanics and aren't much of a threat. Had they taken some of the suggestions people offered following Anemos, like quest chain, hunting logs, possible challenges and etc. I wager there would be far less complaining.

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Oh I think they need to add more to something like Eureka than just the fate/nm spawns/kills. I would have been happy to see gathering/crafting allowed for example along with other ways to earn crystals etc. I'm not saying it was perfect but it was different and having 144 players in an open world/zone I found very entertaining personally.

Perhaps they'll take that to heart with the new relic we'll have to wait and see.

I like Eureka's concept but it's just poorly executed, somewhat tedious with the mechanics/gimmicks and not as accessible. To be honest Eureka isn't that different from FATE grinding in an otherwise instanced open world. The world is pretty but I wouldn't exactly count Eureka as something new and haven't seen before. BA is a decent addition even if it's flawed, but they added it too late when most people shunned Eureka ever since the beginning.

To the old relic grinds' merit, they did keep other content relevant, yeah. It's a mixed bag honestly. While I don't really want to see more of Eureka, I hope they impress us with the new iteration.

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Originally Posted by Barraind

The concept of what "end-game" means is pretty established, and has been for decades now.

Its content you do while at max level that progresses your character.

If it doesnt progress your character in some way, its not an end-game task.

If it can be done before end game, its likely not an end-game task; though more and more games are doing time-locked tradeskilling that you can do at lower levels but only benefit you at max level, because time-locked means fun! or something silly.

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What has been established? It is not the way I define it. Time to drop it folks. You can't change the world. Stop trying.