Pulling the bosses In dungeons as DPS a thing now?

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Originally Posted by Rubytoe

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Honestly, on principle, I'd probably just kick you. The DRG knows his buff timers and unless you were trailing a tankbuster behind, you could have just pulled off him when you arrived. Why slow things down and screw over your DPS's buffs just so you get your daily dose of implicit bows and scrapes?

Whenever I'm tanking with a NIN or MNK, I go when they Hide or reach Coeurl stance, and if somehow they get ahead of me for whatever reason, I just let them pull to best fit their TA timings or maintain GL. Because, again, why not?

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Originally Posted by Gula

That's not what people were saying before GNB. Tanks run ahead. Tanks pull the boss. It's 2 year old putting shape blocks down logic. If a tank isn't pulling. DPS need to be working on making the current mob die faster.

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DPS pulling dungeon bosses was possibly more of a problem (if there was one) before 5.0 where tanks wanted to establish that initial aggro lead before dropping tank stance. These days, for dungeon bosses, with the new enmity rules, it's not a horrible breakdown in team play.

In the chat the group accused the tank of feeding, and there's a pretty good case to make for it.

if I'm in that party, I think I would vote you a kick too. I'm not saying that the DRG isn't wrong, but deliberately countering wrong with another wrong is just a waste of time and too unproductive. Childish too.

Putting that aside, when DPS run ahead and pull the boss, most of the time it's the healers who are forced to cover for all the mess (healing and keeping the DPS alive and get targeted next due to heal enmity etc). As tank, all you need to do is to just pull the enemies off of other people. Like, I understand if you're a healer and you're angry because of all the extra works you need to do, but I don't really understand why you need to be angry as a tank, considering you don't even need extra effort to pull a boss off someone with the new enmity rule.

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Originally Posted by Lilyth

Actually nice to see people starting to kick tanks who think like that. Like already stated, self entitlement at its finest!

Oh, and DPS have an easy ride? Are you kidding? Tanking now is by far the easiest and most mind-numbing role of them all in a Dungeon. If anything, YOU should be thanking the DPS for burning things down quickly for you, while all you have to do is press one button for aggro and one button for CDs. SMH.

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Once the DRK and GNB hype dies down lets see how long you will still have that mentality.

While I agree with others that you acted poorly, I also disagree with a lot of people saying that the DRG was in the right.
The tank sets the pace imo, if you don't like it then you can deal with it for a dungeon every now and again.
I think that it's kind of a douchebag thing to do to stress the tank out by running ahead and pulling tbh, especially since you don't know how confident the tank is or they might have some handicap and need to play slower.

You don't have to act like a ten year old high on sugar all of the time, you can deal with dropping your buffs or whatever every once and a while.

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Originally Posted by Magnedeus

Because they are not the tanks and should not be pulling anything of the sort smh.

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You say that like it should mean something, but...

Every role exists for one purpose and one purpose only -- to make content, on average, faster. If a task being performed by X role exclusively is slower than when it's not, then you're working counter-intuitively, to say the least.

In some cases, things do absolutely go faster when the tank pulls. But let's not pretend that just because something applies some of the time, it should be held as a universal rule.

When should the tank pull? When their pulling makes things faster.
When does it not at all matter? Any other time.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

You say that like it should mean something, but...

Every role exists for one purpose and one purpose only -- to make content, on average, faster. If a task being performed by X role exclusively is slower than when it's not, then you're working counter-intuitively, to say the least.

In some cases, things do absolutely go faster when the tank pulls. But let's not pretend that just because something applies some of the time, it should be held as a universal rule.

When should the tank pull? When their pulling makes things faster.
When does it not at all matter? Any other time.

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if i could downvote then i would because this is so horribly wrong i dont know what to say. the tank is there so the fight isnt a horrible mess where the boss is attacking every which way. the healer is there to keep the party alive and the dps is there to make the boss die faster. the only one that is there to make the fight faster is the dps. if the dps is pulling then i as a healer will not heal them unless the tank charges in to take aggro soon after as i would rather the dps die and me have to res them than me die from healer aggro which would cause a wipe. also there can be reasons why the tank is waiting like if they just did a big pull and had to use there defensive cd's then they might be waiting for them to get closer to coming off cd for that first tank buster which in most fights in shb are within the first 30 seconds of the fight.so i would rather have the tank pull when there comfortable no matter the role i am in since that means less stress on the healer when they have to heal through an unmitigated TB. even if that means the dps lose there buff. especially if its BotD as that is ona pretty short cooldown.

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

the tank is there so the fight isnt a horrible mess where the boss is attacking every which way.

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Which, in removing said messes, makes it faster to complete content. Often, it makes it possible where it would not otherwise be, but that too is an increase in speed.

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

the healer is there to keep the party alive

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Which allows you to complete content faster than if the healer were not there and you had to rely on pots, self-heals, and mitigation. Often, it makes it possible where it would not otherwise be, but that too is an increase in speed.

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

the dps is there to make the boss die faster.

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Need I say it?

When you can consistently complete a fight faster without one of your healers, you generally... replace the healer.
When you can consistently complete a fight faster without one of your tank, you generally... replace the tank.
If we actually had a tank so dangerous that the chance of clearing, and thereby the average clear speed, were increased by having a third healer compared to a fourth dps, we'd replace the dps.

You bring what works. There is no inherent value in a role -- only time saved.

no way DRG doing that for timer. DRG timer is soft easy compare to MNK. 30s CD is basically you can pop it in every encounter more or less, and on top of it 2 aoe combo will increase it by 10s and you can always pop it again when your timer reach 5s or less.

now if MNK did that, i can understand, iam MNK myself so this GL mess is really pull my hair, but if party want to go slow, iam fine with it.

This is pretty much the reason I rarely tank for DF. It's not going to kill anyone to wait a few secs for the tank to pull. (though I guess these days you aren't wasting your TP on it)