Expectations are ruining this game

I understand it from both sides, i really love the fun and excitement of walking into a dungeon or raid for the first time and not knowinig whats coming. The surprise is part of the fun and contributes a lot to my experience. However, this is not a single player game, its an MMO there are other people who also pay to play just the same as you so i compromise. I'll enjoy new content the week its out the way i like to play, blind, because most everyone else is blind too because its all new which makes it in most cases, doubly fun. In old content (at least raids) i'll try my best to make sure i know the mechanics of what i'm getting into so i don't waste not only my own time but my party members times.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

The only ingame method of reporting is for RMT activity. Meaning they've got to login to mogstation, then if they even remember the name of the one who hurt their feelings, type that name in and explain why they got their feelings hurt.

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Unless this has been changed since I last reported someone this is false. You CAN report in-game through the support desk.


To OP, you will never find a single game that doesn't have it's fair share of rotten apples. FFXIV community might not be as bad as other games but it is by no means this glorified community made out to be.
Personally, if it's a normal duty, aslong as you don't wipe to the same thing a hundred times or kill your party with the same thing several times I couldn't care less. If anything it's quite entertaining watching new people fail mechanics because it reminds me of myself failing to them the first time.
I'd also suggest you report people that say in chat that they're gonna kick you because you're new and then actually do it.

Granted we don't know the whole picture, for all we know you and your partner are making alot of mistakes or are being rude to people explaining a mechanic with good intentions.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

It's cool, don't worry about other people's expectations. They do not matter. I definitely don't. First time I did innocence ex I did it blind. Same with Titania ex. I don't look up guides. Learn as I go. I told them I was going in blind before we entered, so nobody try to say something about that. I don't think dungeon guides are necessary at all, I actually don't think I have actually looked up one, at least for relevant content. I have looked up older dungeon guides as a refresher though if the party wipes (text).

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Oh, I was in Titania NM on Sunday of early access, and specified I wanted a blind run. The other healer pretty much ignored my request and started explaining: 'Let me enlighten you then.' And proceeded to explain mechs, while I let them know I'm ignoring chat and closing it. They went ahead and explained everything anyways, from what I could see in chat after I was done. Funny thing, they died early, and I was alone doing most of the healing.


I don't know why people are starting to go out of their way to force you to play however they want. It's happening more often than before.
Even if the game hasn't even officially launched. Same one patch day, I understand some people are free, or like to rush through the story, but I don't.
If people say they want to do it blind, I let them, if they ask for tips, I give them. Simple.

Hell, I did a 60+ min Aurum vale run with a new tank, that was so green. I kept explaining him how to use his kit, and do mechs, until we did it. He thanked me afterwards.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

Oh, I was in Titania Ex on Sunday of early access, and specified I wanted a blind run.

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Yeah, the healer probably shouldn't of explained it.
But this does remind me of an incident in a 24man run, where some new people wanted a completely blind run, and other new people wanted a heads up on the mechanics.
So someone explained it, and they got raged at by the blind runners. And the ones who wanted an explanation raged at the blind runners, and it turned into a horrible mess.
Sometimes it's really best just to make a PF for blind runs.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

I'm slightly exaggerating, but surely you've noticed from the general forum user base that anything even remotely critical is seen as a malicious personal attack? The exact same thing happens in game all the time.

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This has been an issue for a little over 10 years now. Its a pretty nasty cultural issue we need to eventually work out.

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As for SE policy? From what I hear it's the complete opposite. Guilty and smacked with the banhammer first, then a long and arduous process of getting unbanned without removing the mark from your history. There was a case not too long ago where someone got dragged to GM jail and banned over something they weren't even aware of, automatically made FC leader without their knowledge, and the company profile using foul language, which they offered to rectify. But nope, banned, strike forever there on their account.

I stand by what I said, and the ToS rewrite not so long ago just made it worse. This player base is so quick to cry foul that you can't even breathe without offending someone.

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If this is true, then I'd recommend a pre-emptive strike. If people are going to get offended over advice, then simple 'get offended' over their 'playstyle' and report them first. If they're wasting our time not learning mechanics, then they must be doing it because 'insert random reason here'. Think of it as a virtual TOSMAD system. Term of Service Mutually Assured Destruction. I mean if the community wants to play that way, then simply adapt to it. If getting people banned before they get you banned is the name of the game, then its no different than learning a class rotation.

It doesn't need to be this way. It really doesn't. But this is the culture we as a society decided to make for ourselves.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Yeah it's only a game. A game where teamwork is paramount. A game where communication and coordination is expected among players, because shock horror it is an MMO. A game where people who have limited time to begin with don't want to wipe 4 times to the same thing, wasting said time. A game where the playerbase is so coddled that you can't even offer constructive criticism without them crying to Uncle Yoshi and getting you banned for toxicity and ruining their immersion.

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Ok, i'm going to give my two cents on the constructive criticism part. Let's not pretend that people don't lash out at others and try to label it as "constructive criticism". Yes, it is possible that someone could actually give it and be reported for being "toxic". But the reality is, far too many will attack someone without giving an ounce of advice as to how to get better and then if they get in trouble they'll try to say it was "constructive criticism". I actually admire that they care about the community, it's better than not doing anything at all while harassment runs rampant.

OP hates expectations but expects people to let them play blind.

Makes perfect sense to me.

I've had plenty of groups where someone new to a duty says 'first time any tips?' And at best people will give advice at worst they'll ignore it. I can't recall anyone ever being called out. The community DOES NOT expect you to know everything about a dungeon first time. I'm sure a few bad apples exist but they're rare in that regard.

Now, for a savage raid or ex trial, sure. You should watch a video if you're not familiar with the fight first. But for casual content? Not needed at all.

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Originally Posted by PharisHanasaki

Oh, I was in Titania NM on Sunday of early access, and specified I wanted a blind run. The other healer pretty much ignored my request and started explaining: 'Let me enlighten you then.' And proceeded to explain mechs, while I let them know I'm ignoring chat and closing it. They went ahead and explained everything anyways, from what I could see in chat after I was done. Funny thing, they died early, and I was alone doing most of the healing.

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Same thing happened to me but as dancer and Innocence. Healer went "ok let me explain" so i said "I'm fine with you explaining if people want it, but I'll swap tabs, good luck all, have fun".
That very healer was the first one to die whilst I was the last man standing with Innocence at 30% and me not dying or taking damage from mechanics outside of AOE . Sadly we only wiped once, I would have enjoyed seeing them die again, but I'm evil like that.

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But I'm the kind of person who doesn't want to know ANYTHING before doing something. Even with raids. I don't want to know.

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Good grief. You try and shame people for having expectations of you, and then you go right back and be angry about it because they're not living up to your expectations. You expect it all to be clean and unspoiled? This is the internet. It's an MMO. You think that kind of purity exists here? You have no power here!

The key to happiness is low expectations. Go in and wing it. Don't get angry if someone spoils something. Don't get angry if someone boots you. Just freaking wing it. And keep on trying. Get up, and do it again. And enjoy the journey. You really can't sit there and lamblast people for having expectations when you march in on a high-horse expecting everyone else to cater to you. You don't want to do the research. You don't want to spend your time dying to trial and error. You just want to go in there and get carried.

And you know what makes it a joke? Is that this expansion has freaking TRUSTS in it! You can LITERALLY enter any of the Shadowbringer duties for your first time with a bunch of brain-dead NPCs who'll carry you through the entire ordeal without spoiling anything. So you need to take a moment to chill out. And consider your own expectations and evaluate the amount of effort you're willing to do to enjoy the game. You cannot put your expectations on other people, and then become upset when they fail you. You need to take more personal responsibility.