New drk is too much fun!

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

HW DRK like playing a piano- loved it.
ShB DRK slow and boring
SB DRK fast and exciting.

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fixed for you

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Originally Posted by shao32

fixed for you

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SB is the stepchild of the FF14 expansions. Our new bright (dark) Shadowbringers leads the way.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Our new bright (dark) Shadowbringers leads the way.

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Yeah the warrior of darkness

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

HW DRK like playing a piano- loved it.
SB DRK slow and boring- hate it
ShB DRK fast and exciting- love it.

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Highest i saw SB DRK go was like 48 apm, i usually hovered around 45
New DRK highest ive seen is like 38. Objectively slower, not to mention the fact that most of the apm from new DRK comes in burst windows, rather than the constant flow of old

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

Highest i saw SB DRK go was like 48 apm, i usually hovered around 45
New DRK highest ive seen is like 38. Objectively slower, not to mention the fact that most of the apm from new DRK comes in burst windows, rather than the constant flow of old

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The majority of that drop in APM is from the removal of Dark Arts spam, which was pretty much the most repeated gripe with DRK in Stormblood. If you remove the repeated pressing, or spamming, of a button, you tend to end up not pressing buttons as much. It's a pretty logical conclusion to draw and is to be expected.

Now if you want more APM, then ask specifically for that and provide solutions like shorter recasts on oGCD abilities instead of continuing to repeat nebulous complaints like "DRK is so slow now, I hate it".

APM is also fight specific. A fight with a relatively high amount of downtime is going to have lower APM across all jobs. You also see a rise in APM with gear, as you can eat mechanics that you're not really supposed to for extra uptime.

You're much better off looking at relative APM values between two jobs (such as NIN) in the same fight than you are comparing the same job on different fights. If NIN APM is 40, then you're probably not going to be playing at a higher APM.

It's pretty clear that DRK and GNB are the faster tanks in this expansion. The difference is that GNB follows a rigid rotation much like PLD and doesn't have any real resource management, while DRK is much more fluid and punishes you for not being at correct thresholds at correct times. LS appears to be particularly important to get out as soon as you can, as it looks like it accounts for around 10% of our dps.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

APM is also fight specific. A fight with a relatively high amount of downtime is going to have lower APM across all jobs. You also see a rise in APM with gear, as you can eat mechanics that you're not really supposed to for extra uptime.

You're much better off looking at relative APM values between two jobs (such as NIN) in the same fight than you are comparing the same job on different fights. If NIN APM is 40, then you're probably not going to be playing at a higher APM.

It's pretty clear that DRK and GNB are the faster tanks in this expansion. The difference is that GNB follows a rigid rotation much like PLD and doesn't have any real resource management, while DRK is much more fluid and punishes you for not being at correct thresholds at correct times. LS appears to be particularly important to get out as soon as you can, as it looks like it accounts for around 10% of our dps.

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I would assume having to hang on to 3k MP and make sure you don't fall below that so you're always able to use TBN isn't as fluid as it sounds, but maybe it is in practice.

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Originally Posted by MerlinCross

I would assume having to hang on to 3k MP and make sure you don't fall below that so you're always able to use TBN isn't as fluid as it sounds, but maybe it is in practice.

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Everything is easy and slow if you do it on a dummy.
In a real riding conditions, DRK is going to be "alive" job. Take a look at warrior, you could do rotation with your own foot on a dummy, but it does play completely different in duties.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Everything is easy and slow if you do it on a dummy.
In a real riding conditions, DRK is going to be "alive" job. Take a look at warrior, you could do rotation with your own foot on a dummy, but it does play completely different in duties.

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Which is one reason I've always been iffy about hearing how a job "flows". Not only is every fight going to mess up/change your flow but each person has their own feelings about how the flow should feel. Now I've only tried DRK on dummies and Overworld mobs but it doesn't seem to flow right to me. Maybe it works better in dungeons but I just can't bring myself to give it a try.

To quote an old Disney move, Square guys; "You threw off my GROOVE"

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Originally Posted by MerlinCross

... I've only tried DRK on dummies and Overworld mobs ...

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Therein lies the problem. Measure the job by content that requires zero thought and it will unsurprisingly feel mindless. This is nothing new to this incarnation of DRK. HW and SB DRK were also boring on open-world mobs and dummies. You are comparing your memory of what DRK used to play like, which is formed of your entire experience of DRK in all the different content you played it in, against DRK participating in the least engaging and interactive content possible. It's like only doing FATEs with a job and then saying it feels boring, well of course it does you're grinding FATEs.