Should they remove positionals at this point?

I'm not saying it's ok to miss positionals on sam, just that missing out on 5 kenki feels less bad, even if by the numbers it isn't.

I think they could remove positionals from NIN and SAM, but MNK and DRG keeping theirs.

They feel tacked on for NIN and SAM - and actually they are. NIN originally didn't had positionals (on their combos) and SAM only gets them later with the addition of the Kenki gauge. Does every melee job needs positionals? If you like them pick a job with them - if you don't pick one without.

I honestly never missed them when playing my tank in dps-mode. Why not cater to different preferences with different jobs?

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Originally Posted by Tint

I think they could remove positionals from NIN and SAM, but MNK and DRG keeping theirs.

They feel tacked on for NIN and SAM - and actually they are. NIN originally didn't had positionals (on their combos) and SAM only gets them later with the addition of the Kenki gauge. Does every melee job needs positionals? If you like them pick a job with them - if you don't pick one without.

I honestly never missed them when playing my tank in dps-mode. Why not cater to different preferences with different jobs?

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No comment on SAM, but NIN has always had a positional at the end of their combo and for trick attack. SAM is the only case of an ability not having a positional, then suddenly getting one.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

No comment on SAM, but NIN has always had a positional at the end of their combo and for trick attack. SAM is the only case of an ability not having a positional, then suddenly getting one.

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Sneak Attack, when it used to exist, was also a frontal positional, so just adding onto it, ninja always had that as part of its job.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Sneak Attack, when it used to exist, was also a frontal positional, so just adding onto it, ninja always had that as part of its job.

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I left sneak out since it was never used I thought outside of below 50, but yes, that's another one.

I don't mind having positionals but if they were to be removed I probably wouldn't care.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

No comment on SAM, but NIN has always had a positional at the end of their combo and for trick attack. SAM is the only case of an ability not having a positional, then suddenly getting one.

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Yes, Sneak- and Trick Attack always had positionals. But the other positionals were added with the release of Heavensward, originallay NINs combos didn't had them.

Sadly it's not stated in detail in the 3.0 patchnotes, but they were talking about it in a Liveletter:

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Furthermore, we have added positioning to several weapon skills. Current ninja doesn't have much positioning and was able to attack from any direction freely, so we included positioning for some.

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You only need to be on your positional just as you hit the button to do your attack. You can frick off otherwise. Monk is really the only one that suffers from positionals, anyway, as they are basically the only class that has these requirements on six of their nine weaponskills; the skills that don't are their AoEs and One Ilm Punch. That was part of the reason why the class did so much damage; it rewarded good play. Then samurai came out and monk completely lost its identity. ARR and HW monk felt like you were playing Goku when you did everything right - you were top DPS and it felt great. SB feels like you're playing adult Gohan now and watching samurai take over Goku while still busting your ass and coming out with less damage. It just doesn't feel good.

Basically, no, positionals shouldn't go away. Most classes don't have that many positionals to begin with and the only class that does should honestly do more damage or gain more offensive utility.

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Originally Posted by Tizzy_Tormentor

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I dunno, I feel that positional's add some depth to melee and isn't something I want to see removed based on "I dun like it" because I think it adds just enough to make them more engaging than without. A lot of people express disappointment in missing positional's or how sometimes its impossible, but its not like you are expected to hit the positional every single time without fail, you learn to hit as many as possible as you learn the fight.

Take Pantokrator in 011s, I can't hit every positional when circling the boss, if I tried, I would die, so I save True North for it, minimizing the loss as much as possible but even then I can still miss some, it is all part of the dance and I enjoy that.

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Also, pretty much this.

In my opinion,they can remove positional actions from DRG,SAM,NiN,I don’t care.
But please leave MNK alone.
Doing - Flank,Rear,Flank
Rear,Flank,Rear
Flank,Rear,Rear
Rear,Flank,Flank is what we’re doing and enjoy it.
End of Story.

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Originally Posted by Tint

Yes, Sneak- and Trick Attack always had positionals. But the other positionals were added with the release of Heavensward, originallay NINs combos didn't had them.

Sadly it's not stated in detail in the 3.0 patchnotes, but they were talking about it in a Liveletter:

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Oh, then I stand corrected.

Still wouldn't say NIN feels forced into it though. They at least made it clear from the moment someone would level it, rather than SAM where people manage to get into savage without knowing they gained positionals. And it kinda makes sense to be behind your opponent...