Blue Mage might actually be a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

You apparently do if youre saying its a slap in the face.

Your last sentinent is the problem. You are arguing that all classes must be able to participate in all content.

But as you should know, you cant take a Fisherman to raid. Or any of the Crafters. Or Gatherers.

So not every class can participate in all the content.

And that is fine. Not everything needs to be able to go to Raid to be worthwhile and fun for players. And I specify Raid because OF the content, thats the content that receives the biggest direct impact from the system they proposed. Youll have access to dungeons, Trials, and (as far as I can tell) the bigger raids. It wont be available immediately, but you will have access to them eventually. So what content are you locked out of? End game Prog. Which is what a lot of people immediately complained about.

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No, it was a directly reply. Read again.

Battle classes should be able to participate in battle content. And technically gathering and crafting classes have more involvement in End Game Raiding than Blue Mage is currently scheduled to, so that's just another grasping-at-straws argument to try and defend SE's direction on this. Kinda funny that for every one of you coming to SE's defense for this there's 10 more that are either questioning it or outright saying it's a bad move.

The rest of your comment is speculation. Yea, maybe at some point in the future before this game dies BLU will be able to play with the rest of the kids on the playground. For the meantime, have fun with your solo content.

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Originally Posted by MOthe

But that is what Blue Mage never was in any of FF past titles, Blue is that job that do (may i say almost?) all things at the same time.

It heals great amounts of HP with white wind, it protects everyone with Migthy Guard (and ohgod that thing is OP!) and buff/debuffs/attack with very niche (and Powerful) spells.

You see, Blue do all those things in just one battle. Losing the capacity to do this is saying goobye to a Blue Mage experience and Yoshida said he wanted the players to feel this in FFXIV.

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Non MMO FFs don't have as many learn-able spells. If you think 24 spells is too low to have all at once, take it up with Strago in FFVI. That's the exact amount of spells he can possibly learn in the entire game.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Let's say you 36 RDM and want to run a dungeon for exp. Your highest available is Cutter's Cry. Your best bet to run that dungeon is to find 3 other people willing to run it, since you do not want to use roulette and get stuck in a lower lvl dungeon like Sastasha. If your friend the 64 DRK goes, they will get next to nothing for their time, other than the feel goods of helping. Which that's all well and fine, sure. But no in game incentive - since the level is so far below them it would be adding a teaspoon of water to a bowl full. There are people out there who would be willing yes, but if you thought queuing as a dps took forever, this will be potentially much, much worse. Same for trials, but instead of 3 people, there are 7. At least with trials there is some interest - people going for ponies and crafting items - something. As for LotA? Good luck if it's even at all possible.

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1 - The leveling roulette would still give the bonus, even if you landed in the lower dungeon of Sastasha.

2 - Big difference in that in your example of the 36 RDM asking the DRK to go along.... if the DRK wasn't into it, they could still queue in solo for a group. The BLU cannot. Otherwise, they would just queue for leveling roulette to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Shadowshinra

You can say the same things about SMN and RDM, both in older games are very similar to BLU in regards to what they can do, a SMN could heal with a summon, tank with a summon, buff with a summon etc, RDM could replace both a BLM and WHM since it does both. And yet when they were put into the game they were given set rotations. Were people mad about some of the design choices of them? Sure! But they're still fully playable jobs that can used in ALL content.

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But that is the point. Yoshida knows that the identidy of SMN/RDM were lost due to adequate to trinity system. They don't feel like SMN/RDM. In fact Summoner is just a dot mage with glorified turret and RDM is just a BLM with bursts. Those two jobs lost the capacity to support/heal 'cause of trinity system and balance thing (sure, they got one heal and ress but that is all, the rest is pure DPS). Yoshida just wanted a different approach outside this trinity, a diferent leveling and battle experience for Blue

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Sure there is the masked carnival but will it be worth doing more than once? And do we really trust SE to keep updating it in a timely manner (still waiting on more egi glamours)?

Sorry for the many posts and if they seem disconnected doing this at work between things on a phone

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Time will tell, but people are already bashing without even knowing how masked carival endgame will be. We have to see it first.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I’m surprised that with so many complaining about the stale endgame, the linear progression grind, and no reasons to replay old content or play in the open world, that there’s so much vitriol around Blue Mage.

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You completely got it wrong in your first statement here. People want a reason to replay content that we have been replaying since ARR launched? That's silly.

BLU won't do anything to freshen up endgame content, because it won't be able to participate in said content. There is also nothing non-linear about it, you have your skills you need to learn, you learn them, then you do what? Don't participate in dungeons, raids, trials, etc. This is a full blown mistake by SE, and to say that legitimate criticisms of said mistake is just vitriol is an insult to many players. Many players who wanted to use this job in all battle content but cannot.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

the open world will be full of blue mages hunting down new skills, no blue mage will have the same skill set, and the skills will be so much more interesting than the other jobs that are restricted for balance.

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Quite the assumption here.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I for one am glad it’s not just another caster

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Except it is just another caster. One that can't participate in all battle content.

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Originally Posted by JBee

1 - The leveling roulette would still give the bonus, even if you landed in the lower dungeon of Sastasha.

2 - Big difference in that in your example of the 36 RDM asking the DRK to go along.... if the DRK wasn't into it, they could still queue in solo for a group. The BLU cannot. Otherwise, they would just queue for leveling roulette to begin with.

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Oh, I thought this was about people who are jerks and don't want to help their friends with BLU.

Also, reminder that there's several pre-50 dungeons available with the Squadron.

As someone who is dedicated to the unusual, I don't entirely agree.

I think BLU is a great idea and I don't necessarily bave anything against Limited Jobs. What I am worried about is whether it is really solo-only or not.

If I can use it serously in pre-made parties for old content, I'm fine with it. In fact if it genuinely is able to be a hybrid class, I'm even more happy. But if it plays like a broken OP or downright useless class in party situation, then I have an issue. I don't want a job that is only for screwing around for laughes in unsync and otherwise only works in a minigame. At the same time, I'm not one of those mainstream worshippers who can't see anything anti-meta as worthwhile.

If it is average at all roles but master of none, or if it can play as any role depending on what skills you learn, and can be used in old content seriously as such, then I'm fine with it.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Oh, I thought this was about people who are jerks and don't want to help their friends with BLU.

Also, reminder that there's several pre-50 dungeons available with the Squadron.

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Maybe they want to do something else than spend potentially hours farming Shiva EX? What terrible people they are! Keep in mind, learning abilities is entirely RNG dependent. Therefore, it could take several attempts before you actually learn anything.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Maybe they want to do something else than spend potentially hours farming Shiva EX? What terrible people they are! Keep in mind, learning abilities is entirely RNG dependent. Therefore, it could take several attempts before you actually learn anything.

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I hope they're generous with certain RNG. I mean, you can't exactly use DF for it but imagine a worst case scenario where people don't want to unsync it, or worse - that you can't learn skills unsynced (PLEASE DON'T DO THIS SE). Depending on party, clearing the content alone is enough of a gamble, it'll be worse if you don't get the Shiva skill after that.
Regular mobs can have worse rng, but not impossibly so. I think that would be fair. But extreme bosses? Heaven forbids, needing to learn something from an S rank? Please let those skills be nigh guaranteed, no one wants to burn weeks of trying to spawn Agrippa the Mighty just to get that last skill only to not have RNG favor them.