Housing relocation is crap!

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Originally Posted by MaloraYuki

Relocation Remarks

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This alone is the key point....
If they can revoke the "Grandfathering" policy and force people who own more than one house to release said extra homes (Get 45 days to choose/get their furniture back/refund gil the works) then at least the scales will be better off in terms of balance.

Like it or not...this is what we have to work with....can only get better.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

This alone is the key point....
If they can revoke the "Grandfathering" policy and force people who own more than one house to release said extra homes (Get 45 days to choose/get their furniture back/refund gil the works) then at least the scales will be better off in terms of balance.

Like it or not...this is what we have to work with....can only get better.

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/end thread.

Dunno should only have max one house per account would seem appropiate, two if have FC of course but again that is FC, would suggest FCs to have at least 10 members or would lose FC house over 10 days or something.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Dunno should only have max one house per account would seem appropiate, two if have FC of course but again that is FC, would suggest FCs to have at least 10 members or would lose FC house over 10 days or something.

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How is that a fix to anything?

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Originally Posted by Cylla

Edit - @Jojoya - You said no game is able to meet the demands of it player base, I'm not even talking about demands. However, here something for you to chew on.
To my knowledge, and just for I.E - AION has a housing system, it supports all it player base. Wildstar, while never played it, I do believe support all it player base. World of Warcraft, in all areas can support it player base. This is just to name a few, so please, list off the one's that can't support it player base in content and feel the need to take away that content from you if you aren't sub to their game.

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I don't play AION or Wildstar so I can't comment on those since I don't know how they work.

I do play WoW. It doesn't even have player housing so it's not relevant though if you want to press the point, Blizzard has taken away things from the player base even if they were subscribed and those items had no impact on game play that was being adjusted. Ask anyone who had gone to the effort of earning Keymaster back in Wrath just to lose it all when Blizzard decided that keys were not only unnecessary but they shouldn't even exist anymore and everything related (other than the instances) was stripped from the game as if they had never existed. Ask players who were partway through epic and legendary quest chains when those were removed from the game so they were left with nothing for their efforts other than worthless quest items for quests that no longer existed.

I haven't played LotRO in a couple of years so I don't know if it's changed since but if you didn't log in and pay the housing monthly maintenance fee (or failed to have enough game currency when it was due), you'd lose your house so another player could buy it.

The weird thing is that you keep refer to losing content just because you unsub. You're not losing access to housing system content just because you unsub for a while. It's not a one-time only opportunity and then you never get to do it again.

Apartments are still part of the housing system and you can't lose your apartment unless you specifically relinquish it. FC rooms are still part of the housing system and you can't lose yours unless you're removed from the FC or relinquish it. You do get a chance to buy a house again subject to availability on the world you've chosen to play on. The content is still there for you to participate in.

Have you lost items that you had acquired as a result of participating in the content? Yes, but that's a known risk of the system and you have the ability not to participate in the system if you object to such loss.

I like the relocation policy, gives the people the opportunity who were forced to buy crappy plots an opportunity to get a better one, you're just salty because your friend didn't get it tbh.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

How is that a fix to anything?

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Right motive...wrong idea.

It's too easy for FC's to snag houses as its the "new thing"

Maybe raise the bar on minimum requirements to get a house...I dare say population isn't enough...some semblance of activity measurement at best.

Themarvin - You must be new here....you can't have more than one house per ACCOUT per WORLD. (or something to that effect...in other words alts won't be excluded)

You can have 1 house on adamantoise...but if you have 3 toons - you still only get just-one-house.
You'd have to pay for a new account.

FC houses are an obvious given.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Players on Balmung get shade because of the attitudes they display and their complaints about situations of their own making. No one forced you to play on Balmung. Your friends would still be your friends even if you played on another server.

If you think the housing in SE is so bad, then provide examples of housing systems in other games that you feel are much better and state why. Don't bring up instanced housing because we already have instanced housing. It's called apartments. If you bring up the games where it
costs additional real money on top of standard game fees to get anything better than a shabby apartment sized dwelling, you'll find few people agreeing that it's a better system. You could be thankful you're not playing a game like WoW where there is no housing and likely never will be.

There is available housing out there. It's not SE's fault that players aren't using it.

There is no contradiction in the timer. There are just as many houses available after someone relocates as there were before. The only time the amount of available housing decreases is when a new buyer makes a purchase. The system does cut down on resellers (though the one personal/one FC house per world restriction does have a greater impact).

The system is fair. Everyone who wants to buy has an equal chance to be the one standing at a placard when the timer expires. Just because only one person can win out of those competing for a limited resource doesn't make the system unfair.

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Stop blaming the players for a situation SE can fix/ prevented. Apartments are not instanced housing, can you have an apartments that acts like a large house? or hell even a small? That is not a defense. Other games don't make you camp for an unknown amount of time for a house, other games do not have a shortage in housing.

Housing is unfair because it caters to people that can be logged in 24/7 and people that cannot are at a severe disadvantage. I got a small because I got lucky when they released the new wards. I feel really bad for all the people spaming buttons for 18+ hours at a time.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

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Alright, but I'm talking about things lost when you don't pay your sub. I've played it since BC, anything that I've ever gained in my time of playing, I have not lost or had taken away just because I didn't pay my sub. I can go years without playing, come back one day and still have everything I earned. Also, yes, you're right, WoW doesn't have housing unless you want to count the garrisons which gave it WHOLE player base one. In the end, still the same thing.

And no, we're just losing our houses for no reason other then because SE can't supply everyone like they -should-. Again, punishing it player base for their error in releasing/not fixing the housing system right.

As I said earlier, limits this, lack of resources that, we've at this point we've learned to accept that the housing system will always be unfair.

And as for having a chance to buy a house on the world your on.... lool you may wanna talk to some Balmung people about that. I knew better. I knew once I lost my large on there, there was no getting a house again. I'm not going to lose sleep over such things or sit at board for 18+ hours clicking in hopes of beating the people next to me or seeing someone come in and relocate. Yeah no, sorry. I did the next best thing and moved to a low pop server and got a house. Which everyone seems to fail at missing that point.

Beating the dead horse repeatly I'm going to say this one last time:
I have a house now - does not mean I still agree with the way the housing system is or think that it even near perfect. I'm not like most people who sit here going, "I have what I want, why should I care if that person can't get it."
However with that said, and first time I posted here - OP story kept changing about her friend knowing about how the system worked, then says she didn't know. Regardless, this is how it is and highly doubt with my lack of faith in SE that it ever going to change for the better or make it fair for all. So you either settle for what you can get and work your way to what you want, move to a lower pop server, or sit a board for hours praying nobody comes in and relocate.

End of that.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Ask players who were partway through epic and legendary quest chains when those were removed from the game so they were left with nothing for their efforts other than worthless quest items for quests that no longer existed.

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Hey, speaking as someone who had just gotten their Eye of Divinity when Cata dropped and removed the Benediction questline without warning, and still has that stupid thing sitting in their bank, that was a really dumb move on Blizzard's part too (especially when the tunnel where the quest happens is still there). Just because it happens in other games doesn't mean it should and let's focus on this game - no other content in the game is restricted to a finite amount of people like housing is.

But the bigger question I have is why some people seem so hell-bent on arguing against any possible improvement to the system. Could you sit there and say that not everyone should be able to access a house, and why? It seems that any time someone suggests changes to the system the response is to scream "go to X server" which is fine FOR NOW but it's not going to be fine forever because more and more servers are filling up on houses. If it can't support everyone, it's a broken system.