So after asking "why punish people trying to get the house they want" you go ahead and ask them to punish people for wanting to move to the house they want? That's uh... yeah. Yes, no one forced us to buy the plot we didn't want, BUT we wanted housing, we wanted a place to call our own, and if what we wanted wasn't available, we were happy enough at the time to settle because we knew that we could still fight for our dream plots the next time. If you only want a house due to it's location or size, then you seriously don't want a house. Sure you can want them and dream of having those plots, but that being the only reason and stopping you from buying another means you are a spoilt one. If you want a house, damn well make do with what you can get and try again later, like we did. Our desire was for a house, our dream was for certain plots.Quote:
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02-10-2018, 10:37 PMSettiesama
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02-10-2018, 11:52 PMFallenArisen0990
To those who don't see the issue with relocating, are not seeing it from the prospective of someone who doesn't own a house. I'll use myself as an example:
I want to buy a Medium House. 4.2 rolls out and only allows for FC purchases and relocating for owners of a house. New/Old FCs come in and buy or relocate to a big house. Keep in mind that Large and Medium Houses are very limited compare to Small Houses. Let's say they bought/relocate to about 60% of the larger houses. Now for the individuals who own a house, are looking to upgrade/relocate their Small Houses as well. Keep in mind, relocation is still readying available to others who now see a plot that they want now open. That's more larger houses I no longer will have access to as well. I'm not saying everyone is looking to buy a bigger house but it now takes away more options from me when others upgrade their house or shuffle around houses because everyone who owns a house, is free to do it with no restriction. The house I want to get, may no longer be an option because the plots I had an eye for, are taken now, leaving a lot more small plots open or for me to now look into other areas that might still have larger houses available. This isn't fair to individuals who were looking to buy a bigger house. We still gotta compete with other individuals who are also looking to buy a bigger house, with now less options.
Relocating for individuals should've been opened at the same time to individuals who don't have a house. This would've been more fair to non-FC Players because now, everyone would've had an equal opportunity rather then to those who don't have a house, are left with leftovers and it may not be exactly what you want. While I'm not force to buy a Small House, I'm also not gonna just buy any random house to just have it.
Everyone has their reason for buying what they want. If you chose to buy a house because you wanted gardening or etc... That's fine but again, they already own a plot to call home if they want to or not. How my reasoning for wanting a plot I want, is no different then the person next to me. You call me spoil and that's fine, but I still stand by my belief on the issue.Quote:
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02-11-2018, 12:06 AMSettiesamaOk... refer to my post at the start of this page. WE wanted bigger houses when we originally bought plots. WE fought for our plots and took what we could get. YOU can fight for a smaller house and then fight for a larger house just like we did. Stop looking only for the bigger plots, you have less chance for them either way it goes about. Open up and seek out any kind of house, at least you HAVE a house then and you're in the playing field for the next round. Stop trying to punish those who didn't get the plot they wanted either but had the correct mindset of wanting a house for a house, and dreaming of a plot as a long term goal.Quote:
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I'm sorry, but you quite clearly don't actually want a house, and from my perspective don't deserve one either if you aren't willing to play the housing game as we did.Quote:
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Same as us. We just know to take what we can get and work for better. If you just want the best straight off, it's a whole world of hurt for you.Quote:
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02-11-2018, 12:26 AMFallenArisen0990Let's just be clear, the ability to relocate was just literally introduced one major patch ago. 4.2 no longer allows you to buy more than one house, meaning you are forced to use the relocation function.Quote:
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I will still say that since someone already a house, they shouldn't be allow to relocate right off the back. That's not fair to those who don't own a house. People who don't have a house, should've been second in-line after the FC restrictions. Let's be clear that I'm not saying FCs shouldn't be allowed to relocate. I still feel that it should've been FC restrictions first and then no restrictions to all. -
02-11-2018, 12:36 AMLaylaTsarra
I don't think that relocations needed to have priority over privates other than for FC as well. On the other hand I'm not sure they could turn it on or off that easily for one group and not the other. Allowing relocations on the other hand will reduce server stress when they do open it up for individuals given that population won't be in the running to log on and they did after all not take a spot away given they gave up one to get one.
Relative to housing and smalls I think a lot of people under rate the ability of being able to do some pretty neat things deco wise with small homes. Spend some time at https://housingsnap.com/
I also think that relocations are here to stay so anyone passing up a not my dream location so I won't get it is making a mistake. Sure it will cost additional money later on to relocate but at least you'll be in the housing game. -
02-11-2018, 12:40 AMSettiesamaWe leave behind a plot when we relocate, THAT is why we are allowed to right off the bat. We gain a new plot and leave one behind FOR YOU. Sure it might not be the ideal plot of your dreams, but it's a house, you can use the functions of a house and later on, when new wards and all are opened, try again! At least you have a house already to fall back on if you don't get it that time either. You can argue all you want, but SE sees that much from our viewpoint too. We relocate to our dream plot, and you guys have the same number of plots to go towards.Quote:
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And for the sake of it, even if we couldn't relocate, you wouldn't be able to get a medium or large either since FCs would of taken them all. -
02-11-2018, 01:06 AMFallenArisen0990Ok I get this but you talk about moving to your dream plot at some point. How is that any different from in the past when everyone bone rush for their House. The only reason your way works, is cuz of the current restrictions. With that current restriction, anyone with a House, can still relocate freely. I can't do anything til SE removes the restriction. How does anyone with a Plot, have any more right to a Plot than someone without a House?Quote:
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02-11-2018, 01:16 AMSettiesamaYou can buy a small and be happy you got a house? Happy that you have a foot in the door to relocate next time? Happier even that it should be even easier? We'd of been doing the same even if no restrictions were there, and if it was FC only, we again would of been ok since we had a house at least. You should be happy with what you can get, not shove what you're given in the dirt because you wanted more. We all have dreams for better, but we took what we could and got our foot in, even if we didn't know so much at the time.Quote:
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Yet-a-goddamn-gain. We LEAVE behind a house for YOU. What is so hard to understand about that? We move, and there is the exact same number of open plots. You move in, that's one less plot for another.Quote:
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02-11-2018, 01:19 AMVstarstruckIt is an entitlement issue, no you are not entitled to a house. i hate to sound harsh but I am going to give you a reality check. I need to repeat, it is completely fair to have current owners have priority in relocating, it does not effect your ability to get a new house at all since a plot opens up. People want to relocate because it is really likely they where forced into a plot they did not want in the first place, guess what? you are put in the same situation they went though when they first bought one. No you do not have more rights to a Med then a current person owning a house, I hate to break that to you, but you need to also keep in mind relocation are putting a lot more gil in buying housing then you are, they get priority, accept that and accept that this post was made from blind entitlement issue on your part.Quote:
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You are not entitled to a house in the current system when they can only give out so many. Given this point, SE made housing too cheap. If housing was meant for FCs mainly, this means giving out prices for houses that reflect people pooling gil together, this means something like 50 mil for small, 100 mil for med and 150 mil for large (prices need to very depending on gil per server) They need prices to match the supply they can give, otherwise you end up with this shortage nonsense they got currently.
It would been much better if they had an instance system for personal and the current wards for FC. SE messed up housing in several ways:
-housing too cheap in comparison of the supply they are able to give
-letting people muti-box for housing
-4 people per fc to buy a house is not strict enough
-encourage people to tenant more
They should address the house hording for resell long ago, Why didn't they give the update we have now once they released subwards or have this change in HW release?
For the record I do not have a horse in this race. I do not have a house, I do not want to deal with the nonsense, I just want a system most fair to people. -
02-11-2018, 02:11 AMReynIn your stubbornness, you're failing to see the issue from a private owner's perspective.Quote:
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Let me put it this way: If private owners were blocked from relocating while FCs took their pick, no private owner would ever have a dream of owning a medium/large. I guarantee you that all the best spots would still be snatched up. The only difference is that you'd never have a chance to compete. You would still be angry.
Buying a small is your ticket to play. If you don't want to play, you don't deserve it.