An Alternative? to parsers..

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

Again what is under preforming? and not just in the extreme cases like the blm only using ice spells the entire dungeon. How do you look at a dps and say that guy right there is under preforming?

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one of the easiest way to see people performance is the tiem you take in dungeon,with a great group,last dungeon take 12/13min to do,with a good group 20min and when people are "underperforming" it take 25/30min,i can see already "oh for 5 min dont complain"
now to the calculus 12/13 spend more in dungeon,everyday just for expert roulette for 1 month,you already have 360 min(6hour) in the month you spend more in dungeon,now,imagine ALL roulette everyday for 1 month,and you will understand why some people try to rush like crazy in it,because for me,sparing 10/15 hour of playtime doing something else than brainless dungeon, is a lot of comfort.

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Originally Posted by Gleipni

one of the easiest way to see people performance is the tiem you take in dungeon,with a great group,last dungeon take 12/13min to do,with a good group 20min and when people are "underperforming" it take 25/30min,i can see already "oh for 5 min dont complain"

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how do you know that is under preforming and not just a gear issue. by in large most of my dungeons take 12/13 minutes and i've been playing the game for 3 years and i nearly pug every single one when they take longer its generally because we have new players first timers or someone had to go afk.

oh and where are you getting the 12-13 minute mark as a good dungeon run from. I'm trying to get you all to see something here.

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

how do you know that is under preforming and not just a gear issue.

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Because I've witness plenty of times where ive done more as 320 vs 340.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Because I've witness plenty of times where ive done more as 320 vs 340.

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And? Did you still clear the dungeon do the you remember the specifics?

The point I'm making is that your, standards my standards and that guy lurking this posts standards don't matter.

And lets stop being cute shall we no one cares about dungeons people parse in them just to make fun of other people or to justify that DF sucks yet I've not seen a single dungeon log uploaded to fflogs as long as your doing your rotation correctly in savage and extreme trials even ultimate you'll be fine and the only reason one would need a parser is if they are looking to optimize to improve their kill time and that's really the only place that it applies. and before anyone says it helps point out flaws in dps for progression unless your group is preforming all of the mechanics flawlessly and no one dies and you still hit the hard enrage then its a dps issue

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

And? Did you still clear the dungeon do the you remember the specifics?

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I'd argue that clearing the dungeon is a pretty damn low standard to set. At this point I just accept that I'm most likely going to out dps almost any df dps I get in a dungeon queue, and more often than not I'm right. Why is that ok?

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Originally Posted by Hruodig

I'd argue that clearing the dungeon is a pretty damn low standard to set. At this point I just accept that I'm most likely going to out dps almost any df dps I get in a dungeon queue, and more often than not I'm right. Why is that ok?

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unbiased reason: Your still clearing the dungeon because you took 5 to 10 minutes longer doing it or that your a tank that knows your role up against either lazy dps that aren't doing everything they can is irrelevant.

Biased reason: Its not but hey not everyone is gonna play up to your standards so you have two choices either stop using the DF and go with people who do meet your standards or the second choice stop whining on an online forum about people who don't care to or even know that they aren't playing at their classes full capabilities. there is no third option.

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

unbiased reason: Your still clearing the dungeon because you took 5 to 10 minutes longer doing it or that your a tank that knows your role up against either lazy dps that aren't doing everything they can is irrelevant.

Biased reason: Its not but hey not everyone is gonna play up to your standards so you have two choices either stop using the DF and go with people who do meet your standards or the second choice stop whining on an online forum about people who don't care to or even know that they aren't playing at their classes full capabilities. there is no third option.

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I generally only go with pre mades if I can, and so do the majority of good tanks that I know. Fun fact: There's actually a good bit of tanks out there, but most of us only do content with pre mades because we know that df is a trap. Z-dps healers, dps who don't aoe, dps who can't out dps us. Why bother? If quality of df was higher then I wouldn't be as apprehensive to go with randoms, but god forbid we try to implement things to help the playerbase improve.

Well I have an alternative to talking about parser: Don't.

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Originally Posted by Hruodig

I'd argue that clearing the dungeon is a pretty damn low standard to set. At this point I just accept that I'm most likely going to out dps almost any df dps I get in a dungeon queue, and more often than not I'm right. Why is that ok?

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The game standard is set in the time limit to clear, there is no misunderstanding about that. Is it low? Yes. Does it need to be lowered to 10-15 mins? Same argument people have about frontline/rw 20 mins time, you only lose when you give up and I've seen plenty of losers who vote abandon on 1st wipe. You win when you try, not when you carry people.

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Originally Posted by Hruodig

I generally only go with pre mades if I can, and so do the majority of good tanks that I know. Fun fact: There's actually a good bit of tanks out there, but most of us only do content with pre mades because we know that df is a trap. Z-dps healers, dps who don't aoe, dps who can't out dps us. Why bother? If quality of df was higher then I wouldn't be as apprehensive to go with randoms, but god forbid we try to implement things to help the playerbase improve.

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Just that the thing your talking about in no way helps anyone doing dungeon content and only helps other content if your looking to speed run. Yet none of you are talking about rotation guides in game explaining how DoTs work and why they are vital they are or otehr key gameplay mechanics that newer players and people new to mmos general won't know. I can't think of another game genre where you have to use goggle to find out how to play it properly. Yet I see no threads about this.