Ideas to Improve The Black Mage (for 4.2 and beyond!)

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Originally Posted by Llugen

karshan is spot on with what I've been trying to say in most of these threads, BLM deals with clipping the worst of any ranged job at least and probably any job in the game. That's not "part of the game experience" when it's only one class that has to deal with it, it's bad design.

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Its fine to be unhappy, but there comes a point where you got to think maybe the job just isnt to your style of play if it really makes you so unhappy. its true BLM is the most punishing job in the game to have to move in. but i once again claim that working around that is the fun in the job and not a design flaw, obviously we are disagreeing, and thats ok. but its just my take on things

I mean, you're not wrong, I guess, but I feel like it's a little bold of you to tell me that my main of four years that has gone through quite a bit of change compared to some classes (like monk for example) "isn't my style".

In this vein, I will continue to advocate for it to be more the way that I enjoyed it the most. Certainly, BLM should be the most punishing job to move on, but it's ridiculously punishing right now, and more reliable procs is not going to "ruin" the class. Better opportunity to weave off-GCDs is not going to ruin the class.

Nothing can "ruin" the class, that's a SMN spell (badum-tiss). But seriously, though.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

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i more meant that in a way of MMOs change. things get better, things get worse. I mained Drg in arr, and halfway through HW, before i decided HW drg just isnt as fun to me as ARR drg, and stormblood is even more unejoyable for Drg. i obviously quit maining drg, as sad as it was and moved onto a job i used to hate in arr, which was monk, now being fun to me in HW.


So if BLM isnt fun now, the only thing you can realistically do is hope and voice for change, or play something else.

As a note, i hated BLM in arr, it was one of the worst jobs to me at the time, i didnt like the proccy nature of how fire 3 was.
But i love BLM in HW and SB, it went from a job i hated to a job i love.

and i have been agreeing with a few of your ideas, they do seem good.
some i disagree with of course, proccs proccing more often and being more useful is something i do agree with.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

idk fam, not all of us can be as boss as you (serious compliment is serious). Shinryu EX us kind of a movement nightmare, to be honest, and unending can get you screwed over really hard with bad RNG.

This is why I want more reliable procs-based movement; it only takes ~2.5 seconds to move just about anywhere you need, so you can plan ahead for it. Plus it will feel a bit more like 2.0 BLM, and give the opportunity for better off-GCD weaving. It's really a win-win-win.... if they actually do it.

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Honestly even shinryu is mostly a joke in the movement sections, the last phase has a movement heavy moment every 1 min which can be extended if he decides to use ice+ levinbolt, otherwise it's mostly a static phase and since you know that the double attack comes AFTER the tether + beam which is not that big of a deal you can map a rotation for that too.
Frankly as chen said the problem really boils down to the fact that we don't really get a proper reward for a good play like that

And imho the unsung champion for BLM this patch was surecast, boy if we had that during most of the past encounters we would have been so much better

Regarding the burst window, wouldn't leyline on a 60sec cd (potentially with more haste buff( do the trick? Perhaps reducing the duration to 20sec but making it also halve our spell cost.. That would be a nice burst window

I did come up with a similar idea once, but didn't seem it took much interest tbh

Yeah I think we talked about that in the BLM thread a while back, didn't really pick up much steam though. I'd also like to just see a raging strikes return as a BLM personal skill in a different form

And yes, surecast is DEFINITELY the hero.

So... has anyone been to the JP forum and figure out what’s their take on buffing/nerfing blm?

I've also wondered about this, I'm over there now trying to translate some of the threads. There are a few suggestions threads and a "guide" thread with 150 pages.

Also one thing that isn't mentionned in the last page : while true that it is enjoyable to learn when to move and where to go for utmost efficiency, it kinda happens AFTER progress.

Kinda sad to go in there as a RDM to learn the fight and get the kill (to not hinder your teammates) and only then as a BLM to better yourself.

I had to do that on SMN before patches because new mechanics + lots to track don't do good together, so I went as RDM to learn the fight, and it doesn't feel right, I didn't feel like I had a main anymore.
Leera you said you switched mains, that's brave but not everyone likes the very principle behind this. Some of us will always think : devs you let me down with the class I once loved.