Why healing is broken and terrible, and how to fix it...

I'm a healer and I have no problems dpsing.... you neve get yelled at for dpsing o.O I've been yelled at for not dpsing but never for dpsing.... Quite a lot of healing si learning when you can dps. In o1s I know when I can focus the most dps and when I just throw up my dots and focus on healing.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

3. Make damage come out more consistently and give healers rotations like those of DPS where you're constantly pressing buttons that combo into fun decisions, like using a mana-regenerating ability attached to a weaker heal, but at very least, healers will always be pressing our buttons to HEAL instead being green DPS.

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While I wouldn't mind for damages through time...

Are you... playing healer ?

I mean... I'm constantly pressing buttons, that are for heals or damages, and what's actually fun is that we have no rotation to respect.
DANG! Tetra ! And one Regen for you ! Ow, yeah, here goes Assize ! And one little Stone IV for him with some Aero. And then presence of mind, let's kick some ass quickly but ow, damages incoming, my medica II will be casted faster !

There are plenty of things you can do as a healer without needing a rotation or anything like that, and it's still super fun.
If you don't find the current healing system fun, maybe you don't like healing (or you don't know how to heal).

From what I've read, I feel like you don't, cause this is definitly not what I'm doing.
Yes, there are some downtimes in fight where the regen can do the work alone and you can throw some dpsing skill and stuff but...
What you're suggesting will not make it funnier at all.

I like the current system. This is why I play healer right now.
All they could do, is making damages that hit less hard but more often through times to make us heal a little more. Or more healing centered mechanics.
But don't touch the core of healers' gameplay. They are really well made.

I haven't enjoyed the game more than I ever have and I just started playing healer. Cleric Stance always made me eventually pass on it but now that it's gone I love battle content. I also think all of your "fixes" for a problem that doesn't exist are stupid and wouldn't improve gameplay. If you can't manage your mana between dps and healing idk what to tell you.

Btw, for the mana management part.
If you dpsed until running dry and can't raise or heal properly =>

1. You don't have enough piety and should change some gear or meld some piety.
2. Sorry, you're a bad healer and you should rethink what your priority is. When you don't know a fight, it's okay sometimes to "don't do anything to keep some mana and watch the mechanics". You'll have all the time you want to optimize for healing and dpsing later when you'll know the entire fight.
3. You don't hit your mana buttons enough or badly.
You never let your mana regen on CD except at the beginning of the fight because you need to wait to be at like 85% to make it worth using (exception for astrologian who paired it with celestial opposition to extend the duration).
White Mage have 3 ways to recover mana => use it one by one and never let them stand by.
Scholar also have 3 ways to recover mana => Aetherflow never on CD either because... well, that one of the biggest part of its gameplay, Energy drains for aetherflow stack you don't need for heal and finally lucid dream whenever it's here.
Astrologian : Like I said, always trying to pair it with Celestial Opposition, he has 2 ways to recover mana, but one is rng, and ther's also lightspeed that is here to make high and heavy mp cost healing with a reduction.

I think I covered the "no mana because dpsing" subject.

Well I became a healer to heal.
I DPS because I want to so...

People need to realise, at the end of the day WE ARE HEAAAALLLEEEERSSSS
Heals first, DPS second. That's it, the end. If anyone wants to complain they can heal. Us DPSing in content (I have no idea on savage)
is a bonus, I won't yell at the healer by standing there but I do think they could contribute if they don't have anything else to do.
That's just me, I don't pay their sub lol. DPSing when given the chance does speed up runs so I never see why not?
None in my healing career of nearly 4 years have I been abused because I haven't DPS/Healed or whatever.
People just need to quit harassing healers all the time about every little thing they do or don't.
Already have a evergoing shortage of heals now, why make it worse?

While I'm happy to see the vast majority of players responding to this thread with reasonable replies I have to ask why (when so many people in the actual healer forum in your thread about enemy damage output disagreed with your stance already) did you create the same thread here?

Many people enjoy playing healers right now. Tanks are still generally AiN for most things with little exception even in light of all of the drastic healer balance issues.

Ultimately I have only one question for you that I didn't ask in your old thread.

Tanks that are not very skilled can get by with their AoE enmity generator and some luck in casual content especially once they get tank stance. DPS (again, casual content here) can get away with almost any combination of moves that keeps them attacking. Hopefully they follow the prompts for their rotation but who knows. I had a 60+ BRD in Copperbell NM with me today (as Archer, I'm leveling) who wouldn't use Quick Nock on the 7-10 mob groups the tank was pulling. I politely mentioned it to him and he said it was "a low potency move".

The point of all this is that the other roles can (and often do) phone in their primary function. What you are suggesting (which boils down to rotation based healing) would take a healer's primary function and make it not something you can "just wing" for 60+ levels like that BRD.

By elevating this to something that requires even a basic understanding of the game (or a bit of research, or even common sense) you are making healing that much more reliant on player skill in casual content which, with the stories of some DF healers I hear regularly from this forum and my FC, would exclude a reasonable portion of the playerbase from being able to clear content as a healer.

Could you do it? Definitely, you certainly did in WoW. Could I do it? Probably, I tend to care about playing optimally and research a class before starting it. Could 16 year old Timmy who got this game because catgirls and plays how he wants because "you dnt pay his sub" do it?

No, and that is a choice I don't think you should be making for those very casual (and very numerous) players or the people stuck with them in roulettes.

Only time have problems healing is when a super tank pulls more than they can handle or when game gives me a huge lag spike that freezes game sometimes for 10 seconds. Only once had to leave a group dps would not dodge any of the aoe attacks and kept dyeing.

What you describe are the reason I my brother didn't sticked to this game. He always play healer cuz he like to heal and in this game if your not pushing progression raiding, your just a weak DPS that can heal.

I feel like the designer do not anjoy healing themselves but hey, you need healers in a MMO so they designed healing this way.

I fail to understand healers having MP issues. I've never had issues both DPSing and healing. If you're spamming AOEs stop at 50% MP.... otherwise there is no reason you should run out just using dots and single target damage.

While I would like to agree with you that content could use more healing required.... I've encountered far more healers which can't heal leveling content than I'd care to admit lately.
0MP damage spells I would support, but it feels unnecessary.

I'm curious.... if DPS ate every aoe mechanic which wont one shot them would the dps increase be greater than that of the healer's contribution otherwise. Anyone know?