Objection to the new adjustment for PGL, they gonna make this class useless in PT.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

This essentially makes them unusable.

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If PGL is able to tank on par with MRD and GLA, then they'll still be usable.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

If PGL is able to tank on par with MRD and GLA, then they'll still be usable.

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The only things we have that are indicative of tanking are the earth and wind striking modes as well as Featherfoot. We have absolutely no enmity abilities, and, unless it's an unannounced change, we still don't have access to the Touch of Rage materia either. With all that in mind, I'm not expecting to do more than off tank for the foreseeable future.

I don't even want Pugilist to be a tank, honestly.

I want them to be a solid, competent DD class. And worries about MP usage aside, it looks like that's exactly what they will be. I just hope they don't screw up on the elemental business and the MP draining.

Everyone is talking about them in one mob fight scenarios. This delves into the tanking argument as well. People are trying to say "Is GLA better than MRD for tanking? Will PLD be better than WAR for tanking?"

The argument is irrelevant as they are designed for two different types of tanking. MRD/WAR for multiple mobs, GLA/PLD for single mobs. The argument is similar for PGL.

In a single, one target fight, you may want a LNC over a PGL because chances are the PGL may not have a chance to use it's heavy evasion required abilties.

But if you're fighting multiple targets, the PGL could easliy take the attention of one and tank it while DD'ing the main mob (in an EXP party) or simple fighting it one on one (like trash mobs in a boss fight.).

The PGL/MNK could then use the evasion from the mob that it's tanking in order to use the evasion abilities it has on the main target, even if the main target isn't attacking the PGL/MNK.

This opens up ideal set ups, which I know people don't particularly like, but it does make most classes useful.

I'm Pro-PLD but even I will admit that MRD/WAR will most likely be best for multiple target situations. Just as I'm sure many LNC/DRG would admit that their survivability doesn't really allow them to perform as well in multi-target situations compared to single target engagments, making PGL more ideal.

TL;DR version:

One Target:
GLA/PLD
LNC/DRG

Multiple Targets:
MRD/WAR
PGL/MNK

Use the best job suited to how many mobs you plan on fighting.

pug being my main and atm only battle job im realy torn atm but also a little hopeful after reading all the great and positive comments and feed back so far. I will admit i was more than a little discouraged with the way the ifrit battles have become a job spacific battle to be most effective and i have yet to get into a single pt tacking him down due to not have lnc mrd or cnj lvd, although the lock-down ability the mnk gets looks to be very useful in the moggle battle. I started the pug to be a single target dps so im just hoping they dont take that role away, so in the mean time ill wait to see what happens in 1.20. TBH the biggest hope I have so far is they havnt released any info about the trait skills yet which as i understand it will have as much to do with the class as the active ability's.

I'll wait and see how the Moogle Primal comes out and kick our arse over.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

We have absolutely no enmity abilities

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PGL Abl. 3: Temporarily focuses the target's attacks on you. Sounds like an enmity ability to me.

Without testing the mechanics of the new PUG/MNK abilities, I can say for certain that I have a strong opinion on how awesome and/or bad they are.

Seriously though - if you have a mob that changes it's weaknesses on the fly, going from weak to physical to weak to magic, MNK will always be able to damage it by adding some fire/earth to it's punches.

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Originally Posted by Alise

My goal in this thread isn't about complain, but just trying to make this noticeable.

Only intention here is to notify dev team that you are repeating the same mistake by making unwanted class. If think have this consider in their mind already, no matter what happen in 1.20 I will be please enough that "I had done my best in telling them". I have to worry because 1.18 1.19 and seem 1.20 gonna repeat PGL unwanted title.

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well its obviously not an unwanted class if almost everyone agrees they are looking forward to trying it out. I mean I really dont know why people get so worked up over things they HAVENT EVEN TRIED YET, lol. As far as the mp thing goes, I really wouldnt get worked up over that, we dont even know at what rate its used up so just relax and wait lol.

I personally love PGL and I'm interested in seeing how MNK works in this. could be good, could be bad. But I'm not jumping to the conclusion that its an "unwanted class" now. And if people haven't noticed yet, if something bombs in game after its released, and enough people voice how they don't like it, SE tends to change it so don't freak out about it.

I'm a 50 pgl. We're already basically useless, any changes are welcome right now.

Right now, there's no reason to take a pgl over a lancer really. If anything the changes will make us more potent.

Added frontline debuffing for flavour doesn't bother me.

End of the day, you don't know what new content they're adding. you're basing it around content that already exists, and we're already average to sucky at.

TL;DR Stop crying. Christ this forum is whiny.