We Want SAM... <make it happen>

Following up from that you could have different skills for drawing one particular sword, with longer cast time but stronger effects. Mirroring Cyan's Bushido in FFVI.

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

They already know this, they already said this in less words.
In the end, you're asking for something, while a larger portion are asking for something else.

Which would be fine, but when you say their reasons for wanting their choice is because "it's not unique enough" you cant give an example too similar to something already done as well.

Is what you're saying different? Yes. But "how" different is subjective.

And arguing will solve nothing.

We have buffs that have visual indicators already (Wrath), and we even have abilities that dont show an icon when activated (Each Mudra step)
One is magic, one is not. (Though in FFXIV everything is Aether, so even all melee are technically magical to some extent)

Im the kinda person who is like, I want a class in all platemail, with a 2h great sword, who melees, but is a healer.
That combo usually never exists, or if it does, is weaker than if it used a staff/mace/ what ever.
So I understand how wanting a combination not normally used is likable, but to say what everyone else wants to see isnt, for essentially the same reasoning, is just silly.

He's not suggesting it doesnt have an icon, he means he likes the visuals, just as someone would like the glamor of another set of armor.
(Plus SE wouldnt do it that way anyways, so its pointless)

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All I said was Samurai was played out, and criticized how classic jobs get priority in development. The spell dancer was just an example for whoever requested on how there can be creative alternatives to fill standard roles (ie dual wield dps) and was not meant to argue for or against ninja or how some jobs are not unique enough; the point was to exemplify how differences are possible for jobs in the same class thereby the reference (Ninja) and the other possibility being suggested (Spell Dancer) had to have some commonality (Dual Wielding). All this was is an opinion and like subjectivity everyones got one. And in less words? How rude of you, if you look back we were going back and forth getting nowhere, summarizing helped.
It comes down to is ninja the only dual wielding job? Is samurai the only two handed DPS in its class? Are there others? To disagree with me is to say they don't exist. Which is simply untrue.

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

Im the kinda person who is like, I want a class in all platemail, with a 2h great sword, who melees, but is a healer.
That combo usually never exists, or if it does, is weaker than if it used a staff/mace/ what ever.
So I understand how wanting a combination not normally used is likable, but to say what everyone else wants to see isnt, for essentially the same reasoning, is just silly.

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You're not alone!

I think having a kind of durable off-healer/support/melee DPS (of course leaning more toward healing than dps) can work and fill a niche not be overshadowed if you take in its full capabilities while also not overshadowing anyone. Taking the concept of that revolver-sheath art, the sam's weapon could actually be a trio of swords that can stand for each stance: a spirit stance, a technique stance and a savage stance (given proper japanese/samurai-esque titles) with a draw-out/blade sealing iaido mechanic meaning, if you seal the weapon before resheathing it (to swap stances), you have the capability of using strong draw-out techniques for a time upon activating/swapping into one of the three stances. The catch is, you can't seal into a draw-out...that is, you can seal the current blade when combat ends or seal the blade by swapping to another sword but doing that means you just swapped without using the iaido draw-out technique. Basically, at any given time during combat, you can only have 2 sealed blades at a time thus 2 sets of draw-out abilities with exception of the start of combat so long as the previous battle ended with 2 sealed blades and you seal your last blade. There could be a high level skill, of course, that can be used out of battle that seals all your blades, useful for boss fights.

As for what each stance could do, that is where I'm too ignorant of the games' mechanics. But the spirit stance could allow for healing, heal over times, status removal and its draw-out abilities could be a powerful rez skill, defensive utilities like block/parry bonuses, recovery of mp/tp, etc. The technique stance would have unique support abilities centered around TP (like a tp shield that converts hp damage to tp damage, tp recovery, etc) as well as personal defense with the draw-out abilities having movement abilities, a block utility. The savage stance would be simply damaging skills with a debuff to increase party dps and the draw-out abilities being a strong single target attack, an AoE attack and perhaps a personal damage buff.

I guess i am just not as obsessed with having Sam, but would rather have Dancer, lol
Sam if it does in fact happen i would prefer as dps and Red Mage for tank

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Originally Posted by Marcellus_Cassius

All I said was Samurai was played out, and criticized how classic jobs get priority in development.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but keep in mind one of the core ideas of FFXIV 1.0 was to have new and unique classes (I miss my OG thaumaturge!), and one of the first things they announced to save the game was the introduction of traditional jobs. So I can't really blame theme for prioritizing the more traditional jobs. (Then again, AST and MCH indicate they aren't solely beholden to them.)

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

A considerable number of people want SAM, but a lot of people have wanted SAM for a while, and that didn't stop it from getting cut from Heavensward for the DRK.

I don't need more weeaboo in my life, give me BLU instead.

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Dark Knight was just as high in demand as Samurai was. SE toggled between the two and decided that DRK fit the HW theme better.

I guess for people who wanted SAM in HW. It might be a blessing in disguise to them if they wanted SAM to be a DPS.

I don't really understand why people keep thinking Zenos Yae Galvus is being considered a Samurai. He is the XIIth Legion Legatus his title is his job... In my head, he is simply wearing weapons taken as trophies. Every Legatus so far has had gun like aspects to current weapons.

http://i.imgur.com/0KfNTd8.png

http://67.media.tumblr.com/ff3dd4267...amaho2_500.png

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c5db12fbd4.jpg

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20110108150515

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Originally Posted by Maero

I guess i am just not as obsessed with having Sam, but would rather have Dancer, lol
Sam if it does in fact happen i would prefer as dps and Red Mage for tank

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I don't see it happening but I would love RDM to be a tank.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

I don't really understand why people keep thinking Zenos Yae Galvus is being considered a Samurai. He is the XIIth Legion Legatus his title is his job... In my head, he is simply wearing weapons taken as trophies. Every Legatus so far has had gun like aspects to current weapons.

http://i.imgur.com/0KfNTd8.png

http://67.media.tumblr.com/ff3dd4267...amaho2_500.png

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c5db12fbd4.jpg

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20110108150515

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perfect time to add katanas since gun katanas are gonna be a thing yeah?

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

I don't see it happening but I would love RDM to be a tank.

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I think both Red Mage and Dancer could fill all three roles. A helaler samurai would be a little odd but if it happened I would switch mains from ninja to it and never ever switch again.