Bard in the party... thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Ohhhh. Someone's throwing words already. I'm sorry but I don't have time to argue with someone as closed-minded like you are. And nope, no one really cares about low-level dungeon mechanics anymore. So yeah, you can't really say that X bard is bad if you haven't played with him/her in End-game contents, nuff said.

As I've said, if I can clear it without doing mechanics, why would I bother doing it in the first place? Quoting you again, "It's simple as that." LOL!

Also, I can't help but wonder, how many times you actually fight Nidhogg to worry about the Prison mechanics too much? It seems to me that you're so stressed about it and that's why it's the only argument you're throwing at me. Try running a different dungeon and loosen yourself. -patpat-

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Um, yeah i always clear the prison otherwise the guy inside dies... have you even done the dungeon before? or you just throwing out a bunch of words that you think sounds good? OR you are that stupid and lazy.... I highly doubt you can do nidhogg as an only dps. You're only done with the argument because the more you respond it's either lazier or the dumber you sound. Thanks for trying tho

You might've just played with bards that was maybe on their first run and didn't knew how to roll Niddhog fight, I don't see any corrolation between ''fight mechanics'' and bards, they'll perform just as well as the player performing them, it's as if I told you every dragoon and monks are lazy because most of the time in DF I'm having more than twice their DPS playing with a Bard, it's not really that they are lazy or whatever, it's experience and knowledge with your class.

On that I'm hoping you can stop insulting other players because they share a different opinion from you. ^^

Also I've just seen that 230(240) Lore Weapon for Bard and mechanics isn't gonna help the bard at all...

Bow stats : Determination +76 / Skill Speed + 114
Musketoon : Determination + 76 / Crit + 114

At least 245 A8S bow will give Determination and Crits.
But the difference between Mechs and Bards is going to grow even larger with 240 Lore Weapon for raids. I feel like Square Enix just doesn't want to see bards anymore and wants us to play mechs.

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Originally Posted by Slyqc

Bow stats : Determination +76 / Skill Speed + 114
Musketoon : Determination + 76 / Crit + 114

At least 245 A8S bow will give Determination and Crits.
But the difference between Mechs and Bards is going to grow even larger with 240 Lore Weapon for raids. I feel like Square Enix just doesn't want to see bards anymore and wants us to play mechs.

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This was the direct opposite during the 3.0-3.1 days when MCH had both their 210 options having SS (which scales extremely poorly), nor is skill speed a dead stat for BRD by any means (relatively stronger than DET assuming TP isn't an issue). BRD has so much more to gain from their secondary stats than MCH can ever hope to, especially crit and it's interaction with bloodletter.

Lol, nobody is insulting, if you don't do mechanics you're lazy, that's plain and simple, especially ones that kill people. If you really think that is insulting, then maybe someone should try not being lazy and intentionally getting someone killed. Not once have i seen a bard break that prison, I've seen many try, but not one that has broken it. Granted yes, i have never once said that a blm or nin or any other class will never be lazy, but for some reason it's always bards, the common denominator is bards, sorry to be bearer of bad news, i never said it was a crappy class, nor did i say i would never want one in the party, but if you're too lazy or can't do mechanics, then yeah I'd rather get a real dps that can help keep people alive. And again i say, don't like it? Then stop doing it. It's not insulting if someone calls me heavy or fat or chubby, because guess what, I AM. If I didn't like it, I'd change it, so sorry for calling it how i see it, if you're dumb, I'm gonna call ya dumb, who knows maybe it's the wake up call you need. But I would love to see a bard do that nidhogg fight as a solo dps, I promise you it ain't happening.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

This was the direct opposite during the 3.0-3.1 days when MCH had both their 210 options having SS (which scales extremely poorly), nor is skill speed a dead stat for BRD by any means (relatively stronger than DET assuming TP isn't an issue). BRD has so much more to gain from their secondary stats than MCH can ever hope to, especially crit and it's interaction with bloodletter.

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Lets face it bad DPS is bad DPS. Doesn't matter what job. I've had more melee ignore the prison than I can count. So do I call all of them bad because of it? No.

And well the lore weapon for bards is meh. Though bards can at least benefit from skillspeed a bit better(having ~600 is minimal), det is just sad this patch cycle though. But we do have a relic that's just fine.

Can you please read your comments before sending them? I think you could also benefit from reading your pass comments, you've called people stupid and dumb like 3-4 times in your last 2 comments, I have no idea if you have some self esteem issues about your own intelligence and you need to feel superior in any way, but these forums are not here for that.
If you keep on trying to insult people to try proving your point which still is pretty invalid by me, I will have to report you, let's hope it doesn't go that far.

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Originally Posted by Dubah

Now come at me with a better/less lazy argument. Please... I really want to have a good argument but so far all you've given me is that you're too lazy to perform a mechanic, even if it is a low end dungeon, so why bother. And that's just plain stupid. Lazy people like you need to move on.

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Your evidence is anecdotal. How many times have you run that dungeon, anyway? Any given class has but to hit the prison a few times to break it open. It matters not what class it is. Because you've had a few bards simply ignore it doesn't mean all bards are either lazy or bad, your examples add up to nowhere near statistical relevance. I'd queue with you to prove you wrong if I could. Btw you should also look into fleshing out the proper crossclass skills for your ninja so you aren't a burden in lvl 60 content. At this point based on what you've repeated ad nauseum, I can only assume you're trolling.

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Originally Posted by Dubah

it's always bards, the common denominator is bards

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All three times you've seen a bard, gosh that is a lot of times. How many more times have you run that one dungeon... and why?

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Originally Posted by Dubah

But I would love to see a bard do that nidhogg fight as a solo dps, I promise you it ain't happening.

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I'll see if I can make this pointless video tonight if it will get you to stop making wild accusations. Is it alright if my healer breaks me out of the prison? I assume so since no dps could complete the dungeon without having someone break them out of a prison, not even you!

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...cter/14058451/

as a Bard main since 2.x, those posts were pretty insulting, especially coming from someone who hasn't done anything significant in the game and has only 01 job to 60. i would assume that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Bard can't break the Nidhog prison?

Barrage -> Empyreal Arrow -> Misery's End > Done. Literally the fastest class at breaking someone out in just over a single GCD.

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Originally Posted by Kamote

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...cter/14058451/

as a Bard main since 2.x, those posts were pretty insulting, especially coming from someone who hasn't done anything significant in the game and has only 01 job to 60. i would assume that you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Since 2.x? You mean what? 2.5? Congratulations you play for a year and you're an expert. I played in 1.0 and purchased a new account for 2.0. I took a break before HW, just came back about a month ago. Time has nothing to do with it. The posts aren't insulting, like i said I call it as I see it. It's not an insult to tell the truth. I'll leave this thread if telling the truth is super insulting. And to Judge_Xero not saying that they can't at all. I'm saying the bards I've played with can't because they are lazy. A lot of Bards are in that lazy mindset, read above. And the nidhogg prison is just an example. It's not the only time I've seen bards do it crappily. But it was a good example. Sorry if you don't like it, I don't make you play bard, you chose to be a bard, and maybe some good bards should be schooling the bad bards, so they aren't making all bards look bad. It's to the point that I cringe because I do get a bard in the party. Have I ever said they suck, period? Nope, just calling out the lazy ones.