I think you're vastly overestimating how much of an issue it'd be, it's not like Roegadyn women look super wonky at either 1 or 100. Their heads might be a little big, but a full grown adult that's tall has generally have similar proportions of a full grown short person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan94
Plenty of women can be taller than men, the max for girls being only average on the guys, as you're suggesting, doesn't solve this issue still. The point is for each race the minimum, median, maximum, et cetera heights for that race should be the same for men or women, you can go "Well, the average height for men and women is x and x of this race" and still allow a girl Miqo'te to be 5'8. There point is there's plenty of girls that are just as tall as tall as a lot of guys, just as there's plenty of short guys as short as, restricting the players ability to make something that's still within reason (IE girls as tall as the current max height for men and guys as short as the current minimum for girls) is silly an unneeded, hence the point of the topic. Making it so there's still a height difference just less of one, between the two doesn't solve any issue it just makes the problem slightly less worse.
They're tall enough to the point where I'm shorter than most I encounter! 5 inches makes a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
My apologies, I did! Either way, fairly sure Highlander, Roegadyn, Miqo'te, Elezen, and Auri men are all various types of Bada** looking men, while the women of each of those races are notable less bada** looking with the Highlander and Roes, while Miqo'te, Elezen and Auri women just straight up don't look very bada** at all, so it doesn't matter muchQuote:
Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990
A suggestion regarding height.
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08-04-2015, 12:32 PMSamcaesar
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08-04-2015, 07:39 PMSpiritMuseYou're right, I didn't word that quite as I intended. Of course they're not mutually exclusive - it's perfectly possible to look utterly cutesy and still be incredibly badass. What I meant was that some people prefer to have a not-cutesy but instead just badass looking female character. Like if the female Au Ra looked as tall and fierce and mean as the Au Ra males. Instead they're just another "cute monster girl" that pretty much looks like Miqo'te with scales.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunaHoshino
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08-04-2015, 08:12 PMAllyrion
I always thought that Miqote having height difference was just taken from Lions with the males being larger.
The Sun Seeker society certainly follows that Lion pack idea, with the females doing all the hunting as well.
It would make sense for the Moon Keepers to be equal in height, but they don't change those kind of things based on the sub-race.
Hyur are equal in height, right?
I feel like it stands out more that they're more equal and with less deviation compared to the non-hyur.
They look more cookie-cutter, while the gender difference does give the other races some identity (even the minor ones).
That's ignoring Lalafels, of course.
Cause they're so easy to ignore. -
08-05-2015, 09:31 AMSamcaesarNo, pretty sure Miqo'te having a height difference is because devs hardly ever bother to care about short men or tall women, it's kinda common in when people make stuff to do this. Really the only lion like thing about the Miqo'te is Sun Seeker culture, they're pretty generic Nekos outside of that. Plus I mean, if that's the case, why are Auri women so short? Succubi/Reptilian-esque-things aren't tiny little things. Same could be said about the Elezen (IE Elves) and Roegadyn, why are the women for the stereotypical "tall" and "Giant" races still shorter than the guys of that race?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyrion
Hyurs are not equal in height with their men and women. I'm not really sure how it causes the other races/hyurs to stands out more, Miqo'te and Hyurs have about equal amount of variation between their men and women (As in the max height of a M!Miqo'te compared to a F!Miqo'te is roughly the rame as a M!Midlander to a F!Midlander). I'm not sure why the more unique racial identities can't come from their height range in general, as opposed to this overall limiting idea of "Racial AND sex based height ranges".
Like, consider one of the most major complaints with the Au Ra is they're incredibly same-y when compared to Miqo'te and Elezen for the Auri women and men respectively, this is especially pounded in when the height ranges for girl Miqo'te and girl Au Ra are literally an inch apart (Though I'm not sure for the Auri men compared to Elezen to be honest). So, what's a good remedy for this? Make it so the height ranges, as the point of the thread, for the Au Ra go from the shortest girl to the tallest guy! No more "They're literally an inch apart" for the girls, because now the Au Ra's racial motif would "Has a massive height range for the men and women" as opposed to the overused "Short girl, tall men" motif. They could still keep the lore as it is by making it so it's a rare thing to see naturally in the world. -
08-05-2015, 09:52 AMDittoAu Ra are demons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samcaesar
They're not reptilian. And there are no rules on what size succubi can be. If anything, they're fairly normal sized, else they wouldn't be able to do what they exist to do. And if we're talking about the succubi mob, they're pretty small. Only the boss ones have been big. -
08-05-2015, 11:13 AMKaedan94You're not a big fan of comprehension, are you? Of course there aren't any proportion issues from 1-100... because their proportions are designed to work within that range. But if you tried making a female Au Ra as big as a the tallest male Au Ra, or a male Au Ra as small as the smallest female Au Ra, the proportions would be GROSSLY out of whack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samcaesar
You're also not a big fan of reading either, apparently.Quote:
Plenty of women can be taller than men, the max for girls being only average on the guys, as you're suggesting, doesn't solve this issue still. The point is for each race the minimum, median, maximum, et cetera heights for that race should be the same for men or women, you can go "Well, the average height for men and women is x and x of this race" and still allow a girl Miqo'te to be 5'8. There point is there's plenty of girls that are just as tall as tall as a lot of guys, just as there's plenty of short guys as short as, restricting the players ability to make something that's still within reason (IE girls as tall as the current max height for men and guys as short as the current minimum for girls) is silly an unneeded, hence the point of the topic. Making it so there's still a height difference just less of one, between the two doesn't solve any issue it just makes the problem slightly less worse.
Yes, it's a well known fact that some women are taller than some men. But it's also a well known fact that men are generally taller than women. So there's nothing unrealistic about women being shorter than men in this game.
That being said, please note that I said for some races, it would work to allow them to have equal max and minimum heights (I specifically cited midlanders). And that I think they could at least change it so that the max female height is equal to the 50 male height.
What you're not getting is that THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR ALL RACES (there, I put it in caps and bolded it for you). Au Ra and Roes in particular, because their proportions wouldn't allow you to equalize their heights without dramatic and complete redesigns. -
08-05-2015, 02:33 PMSamcaesarAu Ra aren't "demons" either, demons are voidsent and Au Ra aren't from the void. Their motif is "demonic" but that's only because just calling them dragons felt weird with Heavensward having lots of us killing dragons. The most recent concept art design, which closely resembles their current design, was still labeled dragon. Considering their current design is a meld of the "Demon" and "Dragon" option, they're Dragon/Demon themed. They're dragon/demon people in the same way Miqo'te are cat people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ditto
Pretty sure the Succubi we've encountered have all been fairly tall, Elezen-esque looking women, who are bigger than Roegadyn, even the generic mobs. Pretty sure they're taller than Roegadyn even as "generic mob" status. Every voidsent in FFXIV exist to do one thing "Consume aether", so their "Super lanky Elezen Lady" look fits that very well. Voidsent who consume a lot aether get bigger and bigger and get more powerful (Ascians being an exception.. But they're odd ones). Average ones (IE generic mobs) still aren't anywhere near Auri women size or proportions, so even with a "Demon" motif they're still pretty small for a succubus esque demon lady.
Oh fun, Ad Hominem! Chill the heck out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan94
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...ab8d1f43cf.jpg One of the various "Tallest men on earth" notice something? His proportions work pretty darn similar to the average guy on the left.. Just massive! Kinda similar to how it works in game. Yes, it'd look a little awkward with a 7'3 girl Au Ra, they'd be a good bit thicker, I'm not denying that, but their proportions wouldn't be "GROSSLY out of whack", it'd look wonky the same way how that tallest man in the world looks wonky.
I never said "It's unrealistic for men to be taller than girls", you're getting huffy and accusing me of not reading when you're putting words in my mouth. I've stated several times "Women can be as tall as men (And vise versa)", it's why I started the thread, because I think it's silly that girl PCs of a race can never be as tall as a boy PCs of the same race (And vise versa) and that's a nonsensical restriction.
I don't get why you'd talk about "at least" when you don't disagree with the idea with some of the races.
I'm pretty darn sure having the option to have a tall Auri women doesn't affect you in anyway, not like you'd have to deal with your Auri woman suddenly looking "GROSSLY out of whack", so... Why do you care so much if it supposedly "DOESN'T WORK FOR ALL RACES"? If it doesn't affect you in anyway and isn't something inherently bad, so why on earth do you care so much about it? Plus, you've yet to post any evidence that it's look "GROSSLY out of whack", it wouldn't be any different than how "GROSSLY out of whack" characters look when they're shrunk down or sized up using glitches/third party clientside options. With glitches in mind... http://embed.gyazo.com/37d9b98c82c5f...3957701936.png Does that really look "GROSSLY out of whack" with proportions? Let me answer that for you, no, it doesn't, because that's literally how the height already works for in this game. If you want to complain about proportions somehow becoming "GROSSLY out of whack", then you ought to start the campaign to change how "GROSSLY out of whack" the girl Roegadyn proportions are. By the way, no matter how much you want to say "Girl Roegadyn were MEANT to have a 1ft height range" it doesn't change the fact that a girl Roegadyn at 6'3 has the exact same proportions as one at 7'3 (So "GROSSLY out of whack" in your words.) -
08-05-2015, 03:41 PMKaedan1) Did you even look at the picture? Robert Wadlow isn't even close to the same proportions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samcaesar
2) "Looking awkward" (it wouldn't be "a little", it would be "quite") would be caused by being grossly out of proportion.
3) Having grossly disproportionate characters very much affects other people. You aren't the only person that sees your character. Unless you are never around any other player ever, others see your character. They can't "turn you off". And by your argument, we should be able to have nudity in the game. Having the option to be nude doesn't affect you in any way.
4) It would probably work fine to have same height for all races but Au Ra and Roegadyn. So in that you get no opposition from me. But it would not work for the aforementioned because of design choices SE made. You could not have a female Au Ra or Roe that is as tall as their male counterpart, or a male as short as their female counterpart without major proportion issues. And you seem to think that means an aesthetic problem... No. That would mean a modeling/hit box problem. If you tried to scale up a female Au Ra to the tallest male height, the proportions would not fit within their model and would go well outside hit box limits. As stated, they would have to completely redesign the race to accomplish what you want. They are never going to do that... especially for something as ridiculously minor as height. -
08-05-2015, 04:21 PMElky
I can't stand that Au Ra males have to be so tall. I'm a lil dude, my Miqote is my exact height. I wanna be a fun sized Au Ra!
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08-05-2015, 04:23 PMFallenArisen0990Someone obviously didn't do the Lv 50 DRK quest. Siggy will explain to you how the Au Ra were treated, especially in Ishgard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samcaesar
That's just wrong. Now Yoshi said he said we could try to create a succbi like Au Ra, they are not demons. Looking demonic and being demonic are two completely different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ditto