Astro in savage

Using DRK/WAR/AST/SCH/BRD/MCH/DRG/NIN, we've been having an unbelievably bad time in A1. Two supports make the group dps a bit suboptimal, which is forcing us to make up the rest of it with tank and healer damage. The trouble is, we can't.

Without the extremely consistent regen from a WHM using Divine Seal, each aoe takes more than one cast to cover, and the tank damage is absolutely absurd. Ideally, we'd only have to run ballad at each jump, and the BRD/MCH combo would top both healers off, but I have no choice but to drop a turret nearly 40 seconds before each jump. Astrologian just doesn't have the throughput or MP regen to cover such an intense fight. To top it off, with how much healing we need, we're forced to open with an Expanded Balance card to catch up to where a group with more consistent healer dps would be.

If there's one thing I can say about it, though, we do open REALLY hard. So far, our record was 56% on the split, but we lost a tank shortly after. That attempt would have been low enough that we didn't need healer damage at all. Conclusion, if every single little thing goes perfectly well, an Astro can handle it. If anything goes wrong, there's no recovery.

I've tried Savage Floor 1 with my AST yesterday and today and honestly, it feels like AST just doesn't cut it. My SCH co-healer is unable to dps optimally since they have to help me aoe heal and keep the tanks up so I don't run out of mp before the first jump. They haven't said anything to me about my healing output, but I know it's not cutting it. So I decided to halt my SCH leveling and instead take WHM to 60 before it. My static's SCH and WAR both seemed to have caught me doing that and both sent me /tells saying the healing output was fine, but I know it's not. They seem to want me to stay AST and I would like to clear savage on AST just to prove that it can do savage, but it's honestly not capable of doing savage at the current gear level in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

If AST can't clear Alexander Savage in the same gear WHM/SCH can, then there is a clear problem with class balance.

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The problem is you don't know what gear level these guys are at they could have better on one job and slightly lower on another and E tome gear is a bit more optimized for AST rather then having to use gear that is made to be decent for 3 different healer types.

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Originally Posted by Kaizersan

The problem is you don't know what gear level these guys are at they could have better on one job and slightly lower on another and E tome gear is a bit more optimized for AST rather then having to use gear that is made to be decent for 3 different healer types.

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A decent argument, but secondary stats in this game don't make or break a class.
For example, a scholar with no crit. Yeah, it'd be miserable, but you'd still be able to make it work and do perfectly fine.

Not to mention the esoteric gear isn't even optimal for their classes as far as secondaries go. >_> Scholar is like full DET and white mage is full CRIT, yeah no I'm not buying that that is the optimal stat weight.

Secondary stats on the AF2 gear are a mess. Same goes for some of the non-healer classes, too.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

A decent argument, but secondary stats in this game don't make or break a class.
For example, a scholar with no crit. Yeah, it'd be miserable, but you'd still be able to make it work and do perfectly fine.

Not to mention the esoteric gear isn't even optimal for their classes as far as secondaries go. >_> Scholar is like full DET and white mage is full CRIT, yeah no I'm not buying that that is the optimal stat weight.

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Check out the ones for AST all but 2 are the best for AST and the Savage weapon is better then the E tomes one but the Ilevel alone would up your healing.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

A decent argument, but secondary stats in this game don't make or break a class.
For example, a scholar with no crit. Yeah, it'd be miserable, but you'd still be able to make it work and do perfectly fine.

Not to mention the esoteric gear isn't even optimal for their classes as far as secondaries go. >_> Scholar is like full DET and white mage is full CRIT, yeah no I'm not buying that that is the optimal stat weight.

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The reason those others seem all over is because they want you to mix and match E Tome and Savage gear to have optimal secondary stats.

Eh. I ran a1 savage for two nights with my static, and I agree that SCH\AST combo is horrible in this fight. Our ast is leveling WHM, will see if that makes the split phase more manageable - currently, keeping everyone alive is a serious problem. As a SCH I don't feel safe dpsing for any relevant amount of time, and the enrage at 8 mins currently REQUIRES healer dps.

Hmm maybe it's just me but I always felt Noc > Regen.

Maybe it's just me but I conserve tons of MP healing in Noc then I do Regen, I only use regen with Sch. HOWEVER take this with a grain of salt as I've yet to heal hard content.

Reason being is because Noc grants me 5% healing power (slight perma "potency buff") The shield means a bit little less healing. Mixed in with Light Speed and I can top the party off without burning tons of mp.

Not to mention the indirect buff it got from lightspeed (the mp cost reduction on top of it not reducing healing potency).

I will have to try Alex Savage before I can make a full call however.

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Originally Posted by Noira

Hmm maybe it's just me but I always felt Noc > Regen.

Maybe it's just me but I conserve tons of MP healing in Noc then I do Regen, I only use regen with Sch. HOWEVER take this with a grain of salt as I've yet to heal hard content.

Reason being is because Noc grants me 5% healing power (slight perma "potency buff") The shield means a bit little less healing. Mixed in with Light Speed and I can top the party off without burning tons of mp.

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Aspected Benefic on Nocturnal gives you around 1,4k shield using ~750mp, ok, but in diurnal you get "1k shield" on each tick (36 seconds with time dilation) for the same MP. I really love noct stance but diurnal is a lot of better atm and better MP saving.