With the extremely tight DPS checks MCH/BRD are being discluded from Savage groups

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Originally Posted by Taban

/shrug like the poster above said, depending on how many mobs are sitting around flaming arrow could add a decent amount to dps. 1000-1100 single target seems about normal with a drg, 1300 seems a bit high, at least until we have a few weeks to get more gear.

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Without an official parser we don't know how accurate/inaccurate 3rd party parsers are. Of course most will say those that show them doing higher DPS will be accurate XD. You can have 2 people running the same parser in the same party come out with different results that can vary anything upto 10% between them, Ive seen it. I've also seen some using parsers that where unable to meet a DPS check supposably pulling higher than another party that their parser was reporting them doing less overall DPS. According to the parser the first party should have beaten the enrage, the second shouldn't have, whereas the opposite was true.

Present 3rd party parsers can be used as a guide to improve and to check for huge discrepencies, but until we get official feedback on what DPS we are obtaining then we will never know how inaccurate/accurate they are without that 100% accurate official basis to compare it to.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Wait, your DPS contribution is 38%?

If that's true it is not gearing issue, your other DPS have problem.

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Lol, no no, I meant the group together reached 38% of Faust's HP. Going in blind and on a second pull, I'm satisfied with that for now. If BRD/MCH were so obsolete as he says, that shouldn't have been possible, no?

I'm pretty sure BRD/MCH are shunned from endgame content because of that kind of thread.
People hear and read that BRD/MCH are bad, therefore it must be true, when they see one they immediately repeat what they heard "we won't make it because of the Bard" without any proof other than "They said it on reddit !".

Please OP, stop killing us. We're doing fine, I can pull 1100+ DPS on Faust, I feel like with an other i190 piece or two and a Dex potion, I can make it to 1200. Or I could try to put flaming arrow on every mobs, plus multi-dotting everything but that would be cheating the parse :p

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

People aren't ignorant.

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One person obviously is.

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Originally Posted by Reivur

Gee, what happened.

Also I doubt they tuned the longevity of the entire raid on Law gear when two weeks ago they just introduced 190, and they just dumped Estoerics in at the same time as Savage launch. Even if Bards and Machinists are somehow 'cut' for now there's absolutely no way its going to last when people start using ilvl as crutches and need their tp/mp crutches back.

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Problem is now Astrologians can bring in that TP/MP regen (quite often actually as long as you keep draw on cooldown and prep accordingly) sure RNG but if we use time dilation and length royal road on the regens its pretty damn effective.

They may need to rethink how to work MCH and BRD as supports now that AST support contends with them.

I got through Faust with a bard no problem.

Don't know about savage alex nor normal alex, but I've seen enough parses from people that show 1k+ on mch. No idea how that will work out on the raids, though. Due to my playtimes and queue times I can't really gear up anyway....

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Originally Posted by Lycinder

Problem is now Astrologians can bring in that TP/MP regen (quite often actually as long as you keep draw on cooldown and prep accordingly) sure RNG but if we use time dilation and length royal road on the regens its pretty damn effective.

They may need to rethink how to work MCH and BRD as supports now that AST support contends with them.

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I always thought that recovery abilities should of been given to healing classes, Bard could of even been made as a healer. Would of saved many problems along the line. But just musings maybe as a bard i'll write a song about them....

Killed faust last night on 2nd pull. Pld cleaved me with the adds on the first pull and killed me. We had a BRD. She was doing 1,170 dps above the melee. Me thinks you need to git gud. Also 30% wipe on oppressors then stupid server issues started happening and kept dropping my packets and eating my provokes when I went to pick up .5... GG SE.

If at least one of your healers does not DPS on faust you are not making it. Me and the WHM DPSed on faust pretty hard on my static (I did around 450 with SCH and the WHM stood at 200+ because he was babysitting a bit more the tanks), and we still hit enrage and would've wiped provided it had lived a few seconds more.

I'm not going to call bad healers who do not want to DPS, but you are just objectively helping your team less, really, it's not very hard to understand -.-, just check top raid healers. SCH's lucrezia goes around with 2 fending accessories with accuracy and 2 healing crafted accessories full accuracy melded.

Should healers who don't DPS be discriminated? Nope.
Do they bring objectively less to the table? Yes.

Also, I call bs to that couple people who claimed to beat faust without their healers DPSing, pretty sure that's not doable at the moment, and if it really really was, it would make absolutely no sense for those 4 GODLIKE 2k DPS to be in the same static as 2 healers that can only spam physick/adlo and cure/cure II on a boss that is nothing but a dummy... -_-