Machinist superior then bards?

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Originally Posted by Aiselia

I don't care about convincing you or anyone else.

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You obviously care enough if you are responding to people with the famous "you don't main BRD argument". The truth of the matter is, they can read tooltips and you can't.

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Originally Posted by Aiselia

I have experienced otherwise. Your evidence, to me, is therefore useless and not hard at all.

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Well that's a shame. Hey lets disregard the thousands of years of history written in several books because "I haven't experienced it!" Bad logic is bad. Go to any youtube video recording a parse and watch how DoTs tic simultaneously.

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Originally Posted by JohnMccain

The truth of the matter is, they can read tooltips and you can't.

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Which tooltip is relevant and proves your point?

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Originally Posted by Aiselia

Which tooltip is relevant and proves your point?

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http://xivdb.com/?skill/90055/River-of-Blood
"Grants a 50% chance that critical damage over time inflicted by Venomous Bite or Windbite will reset the Bloodletter recast timer."
I will even hold your hand and paraphrase it for you. If your VB or WB tic for critical damage, you have a 50% chance of bloodletter resetting.

DoT tics however, tic at the same time. So your VB and WB(even if both of them crit) can only reset bloodletter once every 3 seconds.
Here is a random video I found on youtube demonstrating that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZnpeVTbVGE
The only time there are two DoT tics not ticing simultaneously is if there is flaming arrow and WB/VB going.

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Originally Posted by JohnMccain

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Individual ticks for DoTs are calculated separately, but the damage is dealt server-side on a globlal GCD. Otherwise, we wouldn't have two different instances of varying crits when looking at DoT damage (let alone seeing bloodletter refresh twice in a three second window)

And if it were true, then you'd still have the same problem on some of the fights that have multiple enemies (which to say, most of current content) and you'd still have the trouble of those procs occuring in a way you can't use it up.

What bards are complaining about is simple. i'll give a step by step explanation so people with large difficulty with understanding might...hopefully understand.

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Cast heavy shot. Bloodletter naturally cools down 0.2s into the cast. You have a dot crit activating the rivers of blood trait at 0.5 seconds into the cast. bard casts can only be stuttered at 1 sec into the cast.

.1s Heavy shot casted
.2s Bloodletter comes off cooldown
.3s
.4s
.5s A dot crits, activating rivers of blood triggering a bloodletter reset
.6s
.7s
.8s
.9s
.10s Time that heavy shot can be interrupted without losing the effect. 1 bloodletter proc legitimately lost.

Gotta love all the non bards thinking they know stuff though, keep telling us how to play our jobs.

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Originally Posted by JohnMccain

"Grants a 50% chance that critical damage over time inflicted by Venomous Bite or Windbite will reset the Bloodletter recast timer."

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Except that tooltip doesn't prove your point. And I mentioned that those reset Bloodletter, so suggesting I can't read tooltips and then bringing up the exact one I was talking about displays an interesting lack of reading.

The tooltip that would prove your point is one which states that both WB and VB cause their procs at the exact same time, or that upon applying both buffs, they somehow sync their damage together. Since, y'know, that's what I'm arguing about, and not that BL procs when the dots crit.

Just because it only displays numbers every 3 seconds doesn't mean everything that you can't see is happening every 3 seconds.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

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Go test it for yourself on a dummy. I have conducted several tests and the only time my bloodletter resets is right after a dot tick on the target. Sometimes both of my DoTs crit and guess what? I was only granted 1 bloodletter proc every single time.

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Originally Posted by Aiselia

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Then post a video of this. Any video. You can save yourself the hassle, and shut up all these nonBRD mains.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

What bards are complaining about is simple. i'll give a step by step explanation so people with large difficulty with understanding might...hopefully understand.

Example:

Cast heavy shot. Bloodletter naturally cools down 0.2s into the cast. You have a dot crit activating the rivers of blood trait at 0.5 seconds into the cast. bard casts can only be stuttered at 1 sec into the cast.

.1s Heavy shot casted
.2s Bloodletter comes off cooldown
.3s
.4s
.5s A dot crits, activating rivers of blood triggering a bloodletter reset
.6s
.7s
.8s
.9s
.10s Time that heavy shot can be interrupted without losing the effect. 1 bloodletter proc legitimately lost.

Gotta love all the non bards thinking they know stuff though, keep telling us how to play our jobs.

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But muh game mechanics theorycrafting and 100% absolute tooltips.

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Originally Posted by JohnMccain

Then post a video of this. Any video. You can save yourself the hassle, and shut up all these nonBRD mains.

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That's flawed logic right there. You don't go up to someone who does a certain job and tell them their personal observations when doing work is wrong because the policies and rules write otherwise.

How about all these non BRD mains stop chiming in with their theorycrafts and <5 minute tests on dummies and actually start gearing upand maining bard if ya'll think it's perfectly fine and dandy.

It's easy to say something is fine if they've never experienced it first hand on a regular basis. Remember how even as broken as war was in 2.0 there were still "brilliant" theorycrafters saying the class is fine and l2p? Yeah, same thing happening right here.

Nobody has addressed my whole "if you have bloodletter available 3 times in one 2.5 second period (as in, getting two procs or whatever after having it ready as the gcd starts OR getting the mythical third proc 14th chakra genki dama) doesn't using the third bloodletter clip into the next on gcd ability?" Can't we only use 2 (now 1, with WM) oGCD abilities inbetween gcds?