How do you deal with sluggish tanks?

I've played a tank in several MMOs, my secondary role is usually healer. I typically keep the pace as fast as all other factors allow. Before the dungeon starts I ask if everyone has either done the dungeon or seen a video on it. If someone says they haven't, I tell them I'll let them know mechanics for boss fights if there are any important one. Other than that, I only pause for a second before mob pulls just to make sure everyone is with me (don't want to pull and the healer is way behind). Other than that, only time I'm pausing is for CD, TP, or healer MP.

I also have one rule for impatient DPS that try to pull before me and I let it be known as soon as I enter a dungeon. You pull it, you tank it. I don't try to do your job, so don't try to do mine.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Vote kicked for Harassment because they aren't moving at a pace you like? That's a bit extreme and a good way to get yourself reported. There's no harassment on there unless the tank is sitting there rubbing it in your face.

Still don't understand the lack of patience these days.

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Admittedly I wasn't very clear. If one were to vote kick the tank without trying to at least reason with them, or give plausible cause, then yes, that would be a bad on me. However, if a request is made for the tank to try to speed up a little bit, just so we don't lose our buffs, and they reply, as many of the tanks in this thread have with "I'm the tank, I can pull however I want" That is a fair harassment call.

Also the impatience isn't about finishing the dungeon faster, it's about trying to keep these stupid buffs going. Try playing a couple of these dps in the 50-60 dungeons. You'll see how frustrating it can be.

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Originally Posted by iAmScallywag

I also have one rule for impatient DPS that try to pull before me and I let it be known as soon as I enter a dungeon. You pull it, you tank it. I don't try to do your job, so don't try to do mine.

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I'm fine with this, I just go AFK when I die anyway these days. Until the pack of mobs/boss is finished/everyone is dead. I don't usually pull ahead of the tank, but sometimes I do aggro stuff, and if tanks let me die for that, everyone else can ck up my slack.

Y'know what I hate? This culture shift to this speedrunning, bean-counting, impatient track race where there's no time to enjoy the game.

Sweetheart, rushing through the thing from start to finish is gonna save you maybe a minute, whereas dying due to a stupid pull is at least a good 30 seconds of jogging.

Calm down and grab a cookie or something, you're gonna be fine.

Best way to deal with sluggish tanks is by playing Ninja, charge in and give him all the aggro. :3

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Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo

Y'know what I hate? This culture shift to this speedrunning, bean-counting, impatient track race where there's no time to enjoy the game.

Sweetheart, rushing through the thing from start to finish is gonna save you maybe a minute, whereas dying due to a stupid pull is at least a good 30 seconds of jogging.

Calm down and grab a cookie or something, you're gonna be fine.

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I'm pretty sure a lot of people genuinely enjoy speedrunning more when you've already done a dungeon a few dozen times. That said, SE is actually doing a bang up job of preventing speedruns in recent dungeon design - back in Wanderer's Palace Normal Mode you could do door-to-door pulls and actually survive if you knew what you were doing. Now we're not even given that option because there's artificial roadblocks all over the dungeons that prevent us from moving forward until each pack of 3-5 mobs is dead.

Also, a good speedrun with efficient pulls and good DPS (even in godawful places like Neverreap) will easily save you 10+ minutes compared to an average run.

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Originally Posted by Zophar

Also the impatience isn't about finishing the dungeon faster, it's about trying to keep these stupid buffs going. Try playing a couple of these dps in the 50-60 dungeons. You'll see how frustrating it can be.

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as a fellow dps who has taken a few classes through the 50-60 grind, really just relax about keeping those buffs going. your average tank doesn't take 30 seconds between each pull so refresh your AT stack as the last mob is dying and you're fine. Honestly, people who are uptight about temporary buffs falling off between pulls just need to chill out. It's going to be a thing that happens, so just get used to it now. Those buffs will be back before you know it, and yes, that includes AT/dreadwyrm. Otherwise, run with your FC.

When you run with a DF tank, don't expect them to play at an elite level or even an above average level. People who respond the way you claim are likely players who have been harassed to no end on their pace (which probably isn't even THAT slow, realistically you'll save only a couple of minutes if they pulll a little faster, or less) and are therefore on edge about it. Use kind language if you really feel it's necessary and if they are upset, be apologetic. Some people simply do not get better and have a bad experience when they are forced to do things they didn't plan for or don't feel comfortable with. As long as they are tanking and keeping aggro, that should be good enough for a DF group... otherwise, run with your FC.

I personally don't mind speed runs no matter what I am playing, but I am never going to force a tank to do more than they feel capable of. You're just asking for a bad time regardless.

I don't feel particularly comfortable in a dungeon until I've tanked it 3-4 times. I also don't particularly LIKE doing speedrun pulls. I find them too hectic and not enjoyable. Would rather pull 1-3 packs max if possible. Thankfully most of the Heavensward dungeons are setup to do exactly that: 1-3 packs max.

Also, unless the tank says it, you DON'T know if they are new to tanking a dungeon. I'm a DRG main, but I definitely go at a slower pace when tanking a dungeon for the first couple of times until I feel comfortable gauging how much damage each of the packs do, most efficient targets to kill first, what to save stun for etc. I get some of that from observation as a DRG, but nothing quite like experience to start feeling comfortable with it. It's not my primary role, and I haven't had 9+ months of experience playing my DRK like I do my DRG, so I'd rather pull smaller and safer than cause wipes due to "growing pains."

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Originally Posted by Zophar

Admittedly I wasn't very clear. If one were to vote kick the tank without trying to at least reason with them, or give plausible cause, then yes, that would be a bad on me. However, if a request is made for the tank to try to speed up a little bit, just so we don't lose our buffs, and they reply, as many of the tanks in this thread have with "I'm the tank, I can pull however I want" That is a fair harassment call.

Also the impatience isn't about finishing the dungeon faster, it's about trying to keep these stupid buffs going. Try playing a couple of these dps in the 50-60 dungeons. You'll see how frustrating it can be.

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MCH is my main... I literally don't use my main damage on packs for the most part because I risk going into bosses unprepared and losing a lot of dps on wildfire. I know how it is, unfortunately. :/ Being so cooldown reliant for dps is terrible for trash pulls.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

MCH is my main... I literally don't use my main damage on packs for the most part because I risk going into bosses unprepared and losing a lot of dps on wildfire. I know how it is, unfortunately. :/ Being so cooldown reliant for dps is terrible for trash pulls.

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I always end up doing "lazy DPS" on the last pull (especially if it's small) just so I have everything up for last pull as well. The first pull or 2 (depending on dungeon) I'll throw out the mid-length oGCDs, and pop the 60s or less ones more or less freely, unless the last pack is small. Then it's lazy DPS all the way.