So who is NOT getting Heavensward?!

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Let me reverse that question by asking you which MMO's you've played which have? Seriously, I've never heard of a game which raises the level cap past it's current level then decides not to allow people in the earlier areas to level up. Experience is experience, no matter where it's earned. There's literally no reason why the level 50 dungeons shouldn't provide experience other than out of spite for not buying the expansion.

Now, if the entire level 60 had been gated off through an Ishgard quest, maybe it would be different. Incidentally, FFXI didn't gate level rises behind expansions either. Once the level cap was raised, the quest was available to anyone, expansion or not. The expansions added plenty of nice areas to get XP faster, sure, but you could still earn XP at the maximum level in earlier zones.

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WoW. Every Expac. With the select few massive wide changes. Like during MoP's run Pandas were available without the expac, but you couldn't get to 90 and you couldn't play Monk either. This trend has been reflected by its earliest with not being able to level to the next level cap, and so on till the current one. WoD having nothing but the level cap gave everything save its zones, and the level.

Pretty sure you would get an exp bonus for roulettes, even if the mobs don't give exp. Has it been commented on?

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Originally Posted by TitaniaZero

WoW. Every Expac.

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Two major differences here. Firstly, in WoW the cap is a hard cap. You literally don't even unlock the ability to level past your cap without the expansion. Secondly, in WoW, once the level cap is 'earned' by getting the expansion, you can still earn experience in earlier areas. It's not like all of your new levels had to be earned in expansion areas only.

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Originally Posted by Natashio

Sure, I'll still log in on the 19th at 2 AM. SE can't block me or those without the expansion from doing that, as early access only applies to getting into Ishgard proper. I'll continue to craft and level up (slowly) with out the expansion. If I find out that crafting/gathering specializations are gated behind the expansion, which they shouldn't as the guilds are in ARR areas. Then I'll just put my hands up and call it the day and move on.

I'm at a point in videogaming that if expansion/dlc don't add anything substantially different and new to the game, I see at as not worth it.

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You will need to buy expansion to level past 50, and specialization will likely be quested post 50.

No. In WoW you cannot level pass the previous expac's level cap. BC cap was 70 But no expac you got only to 60 (for example) You can try and argue it. But that is not how it works

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Oh, I expect I'll get there eventually. It's just that there's so much left to do in the game I've already got, and I like to take my time and see everything. Both ARR and HW offer a lot of content. I just don't see the point in skipping the former (or major chunks of it at any rate) in order to favor the later instead. Once I've pretty well finished everything there is to do in ARR, that's when I'll be looking for more content.



More like it may as well go poof if I don't bother playing it.

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Holy crap a civilized response XD kupos to you good sir!.

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Originally Posted by Natashio

I know. I read this that appeared in another thread and my right side of my brain exploded:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...-Event-5-19%29

Hopefully it only applies to dungeons and to DoW/M jobs.

As a matter of fact, it does kind of remind me of how the game Destiny gates the weeklies and dailies behind the expansions. I can only assume SE didn't get this idea from that game. :X

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Every game with expansion sets has locked level cap increases behind them.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Two major differences here. Firstly, in WoW the cap is a hard cap. You literally don't even unlock the ability to level past your cap without the expansion. Secondly, in WoW, once the level cap is 'earned' by getting the expansion, you can still earn experience in earlier areas. It's not like all of your new levels had to be earned in expansion areas only.

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But wasn't 11 the same in the sense of... some areas were locked behind expansion which ended up being really great EXP camping spots and skill leveling spots e.g white gate city raids? If not in fact the only exp spots open after a couple of levels. (Wouldn't know because I never really cared for leveling past a certain point myself.)

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Originally Posted by TitaniaZero

No. You cannot level pass the previous expac's level. You can try and argue it. But that is not how it works.

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If you are at or above the maximum level for a given expansion, killing creatures from that expansion's zones will only give 10% of normal experience. Quests will continue to give their standard EXP, or gold for level-capped players. - From the World of Warcraft Wiki.

So, yes... you still earn experience points from quests normally and while mob kills are reduced in XP it's not zero. Thus it IS possible to level up outside of expansions.

Regardless, the two aren't even comparable because, as mentoned, the level cap rise is locked in world of warcraft without the expansion. It is not locked here.

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Originally Posted by Lillia

But wasn't 11 the same in the sense of... some areas were locked behind expansion which ended up being really great EXP camping spots and skill leveling spots e.g white gate city raids? If not in fact the only exp spots open after a couple of levels. (Wouldn't know because I never really cared for leveling past a certain point myself.)

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This is true mostly for Treasure's of Aht Urghan which added Colibri camps, but the level cap wasn't raised at this point. When the cap was incrementally raised to 99, eventually Abyssea became the go-to for levelling.

To be fair, there was some level gating in XI. Some of the testimonies for Maat, for example, could only be earned in expansion zones. However, that being said the game launched with the necessary expansion (Rise of the Zilart, btw) by default in many countries and had been out for quite some time for the others before this was introduced.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Two major differences here. Firstly, in WoW the cap is a hard cap. You literally don't even unlock the ability to level past your cap without the expansion.

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Uhh... isn't this the same as heavensward? You don't buy the expansion, you don't have the ability to level up...