A Different Way to Play

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Originally Posted by DSaint

If you turning off your defiance or going MRD while tanking, you are giving more trouble to your healer. Healer needs to stop dps to keep TWO eyes into you so u can RS every 3 minutes. Even worse if your healer is a scholar. Sch dps is gold. More than a 3 min cd buff.

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I'm way overgeared even with the level sync for dungeons that a regen or fairy heal keeps me topped off anyway, alongside my selfheals and cooldowns. Heck, this is even the case for the low level dungeons. There honestly isn't alot of damage going out on the tank except for a few bosses. It's mostly party damage or avoidable damage.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

It bears mentioning again that popping out Topaz Carbuncle (or Titan) in group content is almost always a bad idea; when it's discovered to be useful, SE hotfixes it. Fighting tanks for aggro is no bueno, and so is needlessly nerfing your personal DPS when you are in a DPS role.

Points for creativity, but no, this really doesn't work well.

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In the case of topaz, This ^
I've seen ACNs do it even in low level dungeons and it was just terrible on the tank (mainly low level tanks) and making a mess for the close range DPS. It is literally the same as when tanks fight each other for MT position and spin bosses. I wanted to throttle the ACNs that do that - it just lead to high insecurity, even in low level content. It was wonders when a tank died, AFKed or left the dungeon (or open-world content like FATES and such) - but the opposite when there was already a player tank doing their job.

In terms of not having soul crystal on... that was me, back when I was a fresh 30-something PUG (as I leveled MNK first, before I mained WHM, so I was still fairly new to the game, also). I didn't even realize what it did - all I saw was it took away some of my cross skills and thought, "what? Noes... whysss? D:" and took it back off. New player, game had only opened out of beta and I wasn't used to an MMO like this. DF'ed into a dungeon by myself (and I was still shy of DFing with strangers back then... but not anymore), got harrassed by the players for being Pugilist and I didn't understand what was wrong/bad... Ever since then, if I'm on an Alt or a new job, I won't go into a 30ish dungeon or Hest without doing the job quest - even if I was going through MSQs and over leveled and didn't pick up the job quest, or in the middle of the job quest, etc.

As for seeing someone in high level content without a job crystal.... I've seen a Gladiator in T1 and Ultima HM. While I commend the fact that they wanted a challenge or - like I had with PUG/MNK, wanted to keep their cross skills - or just wanted to be different and think outside the box - it just did not work. They couldn't hold ADDs hate, couldn't tank swap (the MT had to die to hand off to the GLad in Ultima) and was pretty much couldn't keep anything from steamrolling the party. I wanted to give the guy benefit of the doubt - maybe they didn't understand either, or wanted a challenge (they remained silent both times), but it was just not meant to be in higher level content. All the right gear, understood what we told them to do, but it was a detriment without some of the job skills (....namely Shield Oath).

Certain classes - maybe. But other classes....

I'd be all for it doing it with friends, but I wouldn't suggest DFing it unless you have a thick skin and super pro at it...

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Originally Posted by BloodLines

I've seen these numbers, not thoroughly tested, but from what I've seen, it's gotta be at the top-end aoe game

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Oh, I see! Ok then...
I will not exactly "move on", but I will refrain to reply to you since its impossible to argue against "what you have seen".


Not tested... Right! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BloodLines

The most notable being marauder's ability to spike damage, particularly AoE damage. I would argue it has the highest AoE potential of anything in the game.

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I'd like to see numbers on that. I don't think it would even come close to BLM, WHM, or BRD AOE though.

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Originally Posted by DSaint

If you turning off your defiance or going MRD while tanking, you are giving more trouble to your healer. Healer needs to stop dps to keep TWO eyes into you so u can RS every 3 minutes. Even worse if your healer is a scholar. Sch dps is gold. More than a 3 min cd buff.

I'm not saying War dps > Mrd dps. I'm just saying, for raid/group content, its not wise.
Btw, if your Mrd is just going for dps or aoe, I will gladly trade him for a DRG.

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Have fun trying to bring a fifth DPS if you need to use DF or doing ST.

Sure you're at the mercy of other tanks and hoping they won't be doing the asme thing as well, but this isnt the only time where party comps can screw you over (like double SCH on T13...)

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Originally Posted by DSaint

Oh, I see! Ok then...
I will not exactly "move on", but I will refrain to reply to you since its impossible to argue against "what you have seen".


Not tested... Right! :rolleyes:

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What arguement? You haven't supplied one yet.


I said not thoroughly tested.
I can say that in all of my fcob parses from week one to current, mrd brings more dps than warrior.

It's tested enough for me to pick it over war for a dps tank.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I'd like to see numbers on that. I don't think it would even come close to BLM, WHM, or BRD AOE though.

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Go try it.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I'd like to see numbers on that. I don't think it would even come close to BLM, WHM, or BRD AOE though.

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I'd put it higher than bard, but only in that spam of burst when cooldowns are considered. Berserk is among one of the strongest dps cooldowns out there, alongside maim, raging strikes and blood for blood. It's not outrageous to say that marauder AoE can get up there, but it's really stagmented, not to the same extent as monk's perfect balance though.

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Originally Posted by BloodLines

Go try it.

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You're the one making the argument. Why should I be the one to provide the proof? o.o

If you're too lazy to bring actual numerical data, why even say anything in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

You're the one making the argument. Why should I be the one to provide the proof? o.o

If you're too lazy to bring actual numerical data, why even say anything in the first place?

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It's not an argument, it's a statement based on how I play the game.
Your denial is an argument with said statement.
You're much lazier if you can't log on and play the videogame to find out?