More complex rotations with Heavensward

I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt and be sold on this on speculation. That was what the video was supposed to do.

I do agree with you the jobs do need a change when level caps are raised. The part I'm not sure If i agree with yet is if the new changes should be stacked on top of the old stuff.

I'll hold my judgement until I actually play the game though. Doesn't seem like summoner is getting hit too hard with extra stuff and it's fairly simple class to play already so I think smn will be fine. Some of the others like black mage, scholar, and monk might be a little tougher though.

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Originally Posted by zandervont

I believe yoshi mentioned on an earlier LL that you cannot really clear Alexander without the use of new skills (or something similar) so people gotta learn if they wanna do anything harder than normal dungeons. But who knows.

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Not until echo/nerfs at least XD

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt and be sold on this on speculation. That was what the video was supposed to do.

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"Heavensward Preview - Part 1
Videos and actual gameplay will be utilized to showcase battle in both new fields and dungeons!
Catch a glimpse of how the brand-new jobs will function in battle."

It was never stated that it was supposed to be an all encompassing video geared towards complete and detailed rundowns of all new abilities, job traits, and changes made to existing jobs.

I love that the rotations will be more complex. But i agree with you what's duty finder gonna be like when there are black mages out there who still dont know how to play their job

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Originally Posted by Dement

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I was not satisfied with what they offered as complexity for my main job, OK? I don't see how speculation is going to help when they said they have changed nin the least.

And going by your exact words, it would have been DRK AST and MCN only showcased.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I love that the rotations will be more complex. But i agree with you what's duty finder gonna be like when there are black mages out there who still dont know how to play their job

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What's the duty finder like now when you there are black mages out there that don't know how to play their job? Things get cleared but slower, they get carried by the others who are performing better, or someone rage quits. I don't think it's going to change.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

They are adding moves, when we have an nearly full cross bar.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I was not satisfied with what they offered as complexity for my main job, OK?

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Then I've got good news for your earlier comment. Your main is not getting much more complex save for having to hit a few positionals. Once again, I reiterate that NIN was added very recently compared to the other jobs, they had already learned from earlier balancing mistakes and probably had at least an idea of what they needed to do with it for Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

And going by your exact words, it would have been DRK AST and MCN only showcased.

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Not really and not "my" words. That's off of the news section for when the Live Letter was announced. "Videos and actual gameplay will be utilized to showcase battle in both new fields and dungeons!" Seems like that extends to far more than DRK, AST, and MCN to me.

Basically after using Bliz IV or Fire IV, you have use Bliz III, or Fire III if you want a stack of either afterwards..

My point of the 1sr comment was that having no empty slots on the crossbar meant that whatever new actions were to be brought in will make accessing others that much harder.

As for NIN, I'm not convinced they have "learned from their mistakes" enough not to commit new ones. So we can just agree to disagree.