[dev1032] PUG skills singled out.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I just think if you look at the other classes basic attacks they either aren't as good (heavy thrust and pierce are not as good as flurry or pummel) or they share a timer, which is why we got a minor MP cost. I'd simply rather have an MP cost you can manage rather than a different restriction or nerf in its place that would be far worse for our balance in comparison.

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Since you want to talk LNC vs PGL:

Basic Skill Type----------Pugilist--------------Lancer

Attack + Effect------------Light Strike--------Heavy Thrust

Extra TP--------------------Pummel------------Full Thrust

Extra Damage----------------Flurry--------------Pierce

It all looks balanced to me.... until you suddenly add MP costs to Pummel and Light Strike for no apparent reason.

I suppose some visual aid may help.

while its not optimal stygian spikes helps out a lot while solo.

The mp cost do not bother me at all in between fights while running i get 30 mp back just fine....

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Originally Posted by Holyomen

Maybe Chakra is otw for PUG.


In FFT Chakra gave monks HP and MP back.
Something like 25% of your total HP and 20% of your recovered HP with a recast of 3 mins wouldn't be bad.
So if you have 2000HP Chakra would give you 500HP and 100MP back.

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Second Wind was supposed to be called Chakra in FFXIV but they changed that.Sauce. There's my Steal too <_<;;

Yes, lets have random people jump in and say "30 mp is not a big deal" some more.

-Yes, we understand "30 mp is manageable." The point is it puts a limitation on only one class' TP gaining skills. Its a matter of consistency.

-Yes, we're all aware of the spell Stygian Spikes.

-Yes, we realize alot of people don't care to read the discussion before posting.

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Originally Posted by hotah

Yes, lets have random people jump in and say "30 mp is not a big deal" some more.

-Yes, we understand "30 mp is manageable." The point is it puts a limitation on only one class' TP gaining skills. Its a matter of consistency.


-Yes, we're all aware of the spell Stygian Spikes.

-Yes, we realize alot of people don't care to read the discussion before posting.

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I read every post in here and it's not rly that big of a deal if it was every pug in the game would post here

Is it that big of a deal to remove it to keep things consistent?

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Originally Posted by Firon

I read every post in here and it's not rly that big of a deal if it was every pug in the game would post here

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No, they wouldn't.

The problem isn't how big of a deal it is. It isn't a big deal. I can deal with it well, and generally with no issue.

It may not be a big issue, but it is an issue. The skills used to require no MP cost, and were perfectly balanced with other classes. Now they suddenly cost MP.

If they simply explain why they did this, I would maybe accept it. Until then, it is an unnecessary nerf. I can manage many things. I just don't want to manage something I shouldn't have to.

That's exactly what I think about it Noctis. I was hoping for hearing an official reason behind this.

Agreed.. This is a clear handicap, when out of mp, cannot play the class normally.
Needs to be removed or at the very least have some mp regen trait or ability.
Would be good to have Chakra ability recovering both hp and mp.