Atma Grind Needs Some Changes...

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Originally Posted by Exstal

SE is in a tough spot now. Cater too much to casuals and there is no reason to play because there is no endgame, but cater too much to hardcores and you lose all your subs.



I hope the massively nerf Animus by 2.4 because doing that on Ninja is going to make me pretty angry.

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Some people are farming already a new set of atma stones for Ninja to be ready with 2.4, like me. Still 6 stones until a complete new stone set.
And what have you against the Animus part?
myth farming? got fixed with 2.3 (you can get the myths in 1-2 days without doing brayflox hm grind)
the 2 FATEs each book? can be fixed with a shorter repop time

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Originally Posted by Exstal

I hope the massively nerf Animus by 2.4 because doing that on Ninja is going to make me pretty angry.

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I believe the official word was "farm your atma and alexandrite for Ninja now" before 2.4 hits.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Some people are farming already a new set of atma stones for Ninja to be ready with 2.4, like me. Still 6 stones until a complete new stone set.
And what have you against the Animus part?
myth farming? got fixed with 2.3 (you can get the myths in 1-2 days without doing brayflox hm grind)
the 2 FATEs each book? can be fixed with a shorter repop time

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It was 3 fates per book and Animus took much longer to obtain than Atma, on average 8 hours per fate spawning whereas my first Atma grind took less than 30 hours, second only being 22.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

I believe the official word was "farm your atma and alexandrite for Ninja now" before 2.4 hits.

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http://i.imgur.com/PERrfb9.jpg

I ain't slackin'

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If they speed people through the Atma part then killing and claiming kills on mobs/ actually getting to the fates for the animus books might be even worse. Like the hunts are now only on a smaller scale.

As it stands now i can politely ask for people to kinda hold the fates needed for the books and it actually happens.

Who says, the way you obtain your ninja relic + upgrades, is the same as for all other classes?

*trollface*

I still would be in for: Low atma droprate, but not connected to fates (or only fates in level 45+ zones), but killing mobs that fit the name Boar->Boar, Archer->Beastmen Archers and so on

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Originally Posted by Xairos

If they speed people through the Atma part then killing and claiming kills on mobs/ actually getting to the fates for the animus books might be even worse. Like the hunts are now only on a smaller scale.

As it stands now i can politely ask for people to kinda hold the fates needed for the books and it actually happens.

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Seriously, there's only like 4 fates that are particularly egregious as part of the Animus quest. Seps, Taken, Surprise and Tower of Power come to mind. Don't remember any of the other ones taking too long to show up, so even if you miss it, it's not too long till it shows up again. And it would actually be nice to have more people on the quest for Four Winds. Even surprise or taken would be nice to have the help. Success on either of those fates is not a given if you're playing solo. I don't think some extra people doing these fates is going to completely ruin it.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

How does this help at all if you already got all the jobs to 50 most Legacy players already had all the jobs to 50.

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You aren't the only people playing the game you know. There's a LOT more non-legacy people than legacy people in case you didn't noticed. I'm not saying your plight should be ignored, but don't argue against a good suggestion just because you have spent the last two years doing nothing but leveling.

You know, it would be nice to have an end game that doesn't devolve into the developers making a grinding difficulty curve in fear that the masses will migrate away from their game. That's really all this atma and hunting nonsense is coming down to in the end and no one, not even the people doing the things, would argue that the experience wouldn't be better if they could just get it over with instead of having it drag out for endless hours.

Hi All,

Agreed that the Atma grind is horrendous (even though I have my Novus), and besides general "grind complaints" the OP and others bring up some good points that FEWER people are doing FATEs, which means it takes even longer for those working on their Atma stones to get them (and some FATEs just aren't soloable). Here are 2 ideas for Fixes to the Atma grind brought up a few months ago when it started:

1. Increase Percentage(%) Chance for Atma Stone drop for Every FATE in the Zone you've Completed, Until it Finally Drops.

Let's say the starting % Drop Rate is 1%. If you do a FATE and nothing drops, Square should add, say, +1% to your chance, so the NEXT FATE you do now has 2% chance. So at the most, you'd have to do 99 FATEs in the zone (+1% x 99 tries) to finally get your Atma Stone (if you had the worst luck).

This allows Yoshi P to keep that "Random Number Generator" / "Lottery" feel and grind (ugh), while providing a safety (and sanity) net for Players. So if you have bad luck, at least eventually you'll get the Atma to drop within a reasonable amount of time. The Actual # can be balanced to whatever feels fair (+2%, +5%, etc.).


2. Allow Any Player with an Atma, Animus or Novus version of the Weapon doing FATEs to still get a chance at Atma Drops.

This will *increase* the number of Players participating in FATEs around the world, since Animus / Novus players will want to farm for Alexandrite drop chances, *and* can work on their 2nd, 3rd+ Jobs' Atma Stones.

It's a Win-Win for everyone, and brings people back to doing FATEs a bit more than it is now.

Thanks.