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  1. #1
    Player
    Fendred's Avatar
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    Valentyne Laska
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    Balmung
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    Dancer Lv 100

    Atma Grind Needs Some Changes...

    I'm not sure who Yoshida is trying to get back at with this, but I don't think the vast majority of the player base needs to be caught in the cross-fire. I understand some of the people who are giving comments can be unfriendly, but taking it out on the gaming community in this way just isn't the best way to handle things.

    Jokes aside, the grind is just too long, and it has proceeded to become longer because there are fewer and fewer people actually doing fates. Very few people actually have an animus weapon, and those that do are not particularly interested in having to redo the same long-winded process over again.

    It might be best to simply replace the fate treadmill with a series of quests, a progress bar, or just greatly increase the drop chance. We will already have to spend 1500 mythology per book, so its not like you would be handing out ilvl 100 weapons for free.
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    Player Riviere's Avatar
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    Leona Lockhart
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    Lancer Lv 70
    I wish Atmas would just start dropping from FATEs once you have the quest, even if you don't have a Zenith weapon equipped. I could be leveling other classes doing FATEs while at the same time having a chance to get an Atma, at least if I'm not lucky, I'd still be getting some XP.
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    Zumi Kasumi
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    Sargatanas
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Riviere View Post
    I wish Atmas would just start dropping from FATEs once you have the quest, even if you don't have a Zenith weapon equipped. I could be leveling other classes doing FATEs while at the same time having a chance to get an Atma, at least if I'm not lucky, I'd still be getting some XP.
    How does this help at all if you already got all the jobs to 50 most Legacy players already had all the jobs to 50.
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    Wobble Wibblewobb
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    Balmung
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    White Mage Lv 60
    I'm working on novus slooowly after the long animus grind and I'll not do another animus grind, this is my first and last one.
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    Florence Leduc
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    Ragnarok
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    Monk Lv 90
    the atma must be changed that sure, the novus too must be changed... the fact that you get 1 point per materia, whatever the rank is....dumb. it's only a way to make sure people will spend tons of time for get this.
    what scare me a bit, it's the fact that we know already that 3 more class is coming (rogue+2 from the first expansion) by the time of the first expansion we will have get a grind fest humongous....
    i play 3 jobs so far, i have done the animus for one... and personally i only do get the alexandrite, i will wait they change this before really work on this,or do another one.
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    ZephyrAM's Avatar
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    Lynia Celeste
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 52
    We have to remember that Atma was implemented specifically because people wanted something long term and time consuming to work on. So Yoshida gave the community the Relic chain, and you can bet that if he turned around and made it something that people could completely finish in a month, the very people that the system was aimed at would be up in arms over it.

    Now it's not to say that I believe the entire system is perfect as it is, but it's certainly not far off, and further, they've already said that as time goes by, they'll ease the requirements for earlier parts of the chain. I'm imagining that Atma's will get easier, or at least more reliable, come 3.0.

    I also don't believe that you're supposed to complete the chain on multiple jobs, much less all. It's something that was intended to be extremely long term and time consuming to do 'once', so you can imagine that it only multiplies that time taken to do repeatedly. You can, but be prepared for the long haul.
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    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/1556132 ~ Lynia Celeste

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    Firepower Shinryu
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    Leviathan
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    I would hope to assume that Yoshi will be making the Atma part much quicker or easier in 2.4 as it then becomes outdated content. I believe he mentioned that he did not want to make Atma or Animus easier at the moment as it would potentially upset people who put all the hard work in already. They already added many other ways of getting myth much much quicker now so the animus grind is not as bad as it was before and I would also assume if they disregard mythology points in 2.4 as they did with philosophy back in 2.2 the books could either end up much cheaper in soldiery which would become uncapped.

    If you think in terms of item level Atma is still technically a reskinned 90 so it isn't until you get to animus you get a decent weapon which is a LOT of work for an i100 weapon when you can now grind Syrcus tower for the tomestone and save up 3 weeks of Soldiery to get an i100 weapon with much less effort considering 1350 soldiery is much less than the grind for myth for the animus books (not including the actual work the books make you do themselves) Then with Sand from the hunt upgrading that weapon to i110 would take a MUCH shorter time than the entire Novus part, not to mention the huge gilsink for materia.


    PS: I would definitely prefer them to make it easier as I am using my MNK's animus to currently collect Alexandrite in which I plan to use for NIN animus and I don't want to have to spend a month grinding atma/animus to get to that stage once 2.4 comes out
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    Last edited by Firepower; 07-20-2014 at 12:26 PM.

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    Evangela Monterossa
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    Balmung
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    Ninja Lv 90
    grinding in MMOs is outdated. Yoshida said he doesn't want to make XIV another grindfest MMO and why he has to make this stupid quest? I don't get it.
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    Fawkes Macleod
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 100
    They really ought to do something. Increasing the drop rate might be okay, but I think I'd prefer something like a repeatable quest that gives atma or somehow makes it so the next FATE you do is guaranteed to drop one. If all they do is increase the drop rate the cynic in me will be thinking it went from .1% to .2%, and I'll probably continue to have awful luck with getting them.
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    Pep Per
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    Cactuar
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    haven't u realized yet

    its a trap
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