Atma Fate System Broken

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

No we haven't gotten there sir, this is just human nature. "If I am not hurt by it them it's not a problem."

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There is a distinct subset of posters that (likely have benefitted from this garbage design)... that are in the appalling circumstance of arguing that it is desirable for high end quest rewards to be given at random to anyone swinging a weapon around in nooby level content.

They are doing this, while trying to call others "lazy" and "casual" among other things. I am frankly shocked that a Final Fantasy community has come to the point where there are people trying to advocate for this kind of gaming - while also managing to pretend that it is somehow "hard core".

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

There is a distinct subset of posters that (likely have benefitted from this garbage design)... that are in the appalling circumstance of arguing that it is desirable for high end quest rewards to be given at random to anyone swinging a weapon around in nooby level content.

They are doing this, while trying to call others "lazy" and "casual" among other things. I am frankly shocked that a Final Fantasy community has come to the point where there are people trying to advocate for this kind of gaming - while also managing to pretend that it is somehow "hard core".

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Least you can be at ease as they aren't the ones who will call the shots as to what will happen..

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

Least you can be at ease as they aren't the ones who will call the shots as to what will happen..

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Hey, you're right! Why bother arguing with them... it seems that enough customers have responded that SE is going to listen. SE seems to have realized it was a mistake- I guess if people want to try to defend an abandoned idea... then indulging them is a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

They are doing this, while trying to call others "lazy" and "casual" among other things. I am frankly shocked that a Final Fantasy community has come to the point where there are people trying to advocate for this kind of gaming - while also managing to pretend that it is somehow "hard core".

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Listen to you! You'd think the handful of trolls that got you so whipped up are the entirety of the opposition. It's amazing you have the gall to act like everyone who disagreed with you is running around calling people scrubs. It's even more amazing that you act like low percentage drops are something new to the genre.

Oh look, yet another thread about this. How unique.

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Originally Posted by Worm

Listen to you! You'd think the handful of trolls that got you so whipped up are the entirety of the opposition. It's amazing you have the gall to act like everyone who disagreed with you is running around calling people scrubs. It's even more amazing that you act like low percentage drops are something new to the genre.

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Wow, so much anger....

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Originally Posted by C-croft

Wow, so much anger....

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Did that really sound angry? What part? Can you put it into words?

You can go look at his post history to see where one poster was trolling him about Atma and then notice the tone of all his posts change to where he essentially lumps everyone who disagrees with him with the posters who were trolling him. He repeats the line about "having put in more time than the people who are defending it" multiple times after that point.

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Originally Posted by Worm

You can go look at his post history to see where one poster was trolling him about Atma and then notice the tone of all his posts change to where he essentially lumps everyone who disagrees with him with the posters who were trolling him.

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I didn't essentially do anything. No, I specifically scoped my statement to a "distinct subset of posters". I'm sorry, but trying to misconstrue that statement into "anyone who disagrees with me" is really reaching.

This is off topic though.

I am curious what metrics they are using to determine the impact of this design and how to react to it... that would be interesting to know.

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Originally Posted by Worm

Did that really sound angry? What part? Can you put it into words?

You can go look at his post history to see where one poster was trolling him about Atma and then notice the tone of all his posts change to where he essentially lumps everyone who disagrees with him with the posters who were trolling him. He repeats the line about "having put in more time than the people who are defending it" multiple times after that point.

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Your incessant need to be right and trolling people about their opinion, wants etc. and constantly acting condescending to others when there truly is no need. He is right you know. People have a tendency to not see the other side of things because they did get their ATMAs much faster than others. It's a natural thing outside of the game. There is definitely something off with the way ATMAs drop. Maybe there is a 'thing' such as the JP theory. But RNG or no, it doesn't explain a low drop rate meant to for grinding when someone can snag all twelve in a matter of a couple days and yet there are people devoting much of there time to running FATEs and nothing to show for it.

Looking back at the questline, it feels more like the ATMAs were meant to be a tiny bit grindy, with the majority of the grind being the tomes. Of course only SE can tells us, and I am sure they won't. The fact that they are 'incorporating feedback' regarding the way the quest works, the implementation was not quite what anyone expected. SE and players alike.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

I didn't essentially do anything. No, I specifically scoped my statement to a "distinct subset of posters". I'm sorry, but trying to misconstrue that statement into "anyone who disagrees with me" is really reaching.

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Oh come on, you entered this thread trotting out complaints about trolls and swung right back into it almost immediately after responding to me. It's your go-to anytime you're at a loss for a reply. Games have had drop rates like this for years, I'll repeat.

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Originally Posted by C-croft

Your incessant need to be right and trolling people about their opinion, wants etc. and constantly acting condescending to others when there truly is no need. He is right you know. People have a tendency to not see the other side of things because they did get their ATMAs much faster than others. It's a natural thing outside of the game.

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Woah it's a good thing not getting what you feel you deserve doesn't impart any kind of bias. Otherwise we'd all be susceptible to this critique and it would almost be a non-point. It's sure a good thing that no rationalization occurs when people don't get what they want. Oh my incessant need to be right, those too are points that could only apply to me and no one else.

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Originally Posted by C-croft

But RNG or no, it doesn't explain a low drop rate meant to for grinding when someone can snag all twelve in a matter of a couple days and yet there are people devoting much of there time to running FATEs and nothing to show for it.

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Actually it does exactly explain it! Some people got lucky, they're outliers! Naturally you're only going to hear about extreme cases on the forums. So you really think it's two groups of people, those who get it in a matter of hours and those who get it in a matter of weeks. When it's really most people falling somewhere in-between, like it always has been, for the whole history of these games.

That you think this is somehow 'Devil RNG' just makes me think you don't have much experience with this kind of grind. This is just how it is.