We need a response from Yoshi about the Atma quest.

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Originally Posted by Pinkk

You still don't get it. When you play a game you expect a certain outcome at a certain point. Like you are guaranteed to get a drop if you beat Titan EX or you are guaranteed a weathered item if you spend x amount of Soldiery tokens etc, but there is no guaranteed that you'll get an atma item if you spend x amount of hours or do x amount of FATEs. They could make it super hard or super easy, I don't care as long as there is a clear goal of what a user needs to do to get the item not: "May the odds be ever in your favor" bull crap.

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There was never a guarantee in primal drops in 1.0 either, or tokens for that matter. Do you know how many fights I used to have to do just for a drop. Now that was some bs Rng. Like I said times have changed and ARR brought in the entitlement era. Fights are super easier now too. People seemed to be doing fine with the Atma drops. I will agree to disagree sorry.

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Originally Posted by BlackHaloJT

There was never a guarantee in primal drops in 1.0 either, or tokens for that matter. Do you know how many fights I used to have to do just for a drop. Now that was some bs Rng. Like I said times have changed and ARR brought in the entitlement era. Fights are super easier now too. People seemed to be doing fine with the Atma drops. I will agree to disagree sorry.

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And exactly how many people where playing 1.0 and thought it was good?

I rest my case.

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Originally Posted by Razard

And exactly how many people where playing 1.0 and thought it was good?

I rest my case.

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1.0 the game has nothing to do with 1.0 relics.

People in this game do feel entitled and it's sad. This is supposed to be a long term goal.

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Originally Posted by Razard

And exactly how many people where playing 1.0 and thought it was good?

I rest my case.

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Rest your case.. I said nothing about how many people were playing 1.0 and would that matter? Congrats your first post I wish it could of been more epic for you.

I keep seeing people say its a long term goal yet no one has explained how random RNG is a long term goal what so ever? I stated it before RNG = Chaos you really cant control chaos sure you can shape it to a certain extent but not control it. There is no way SE can control how long it takes someone to get Atma drops. Its completely 100% possible for someone to go and get all 12 Atma in a hour (taking into account having to run to the fates and zone in). Its completely possible someone would work 24-7 for the next 365 days doing nothing but running fates and still not get all 12. How is that a long term goal to anything?

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

People in this game do feel entitled and it's sad. This is supposed to be a long term goal.

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If it's supposed to be a long term goal, then it is exceedingly poorly designed, since some people get all 12 Atmas in less than 12 hours. It's only a long term goal for people that happen to be unlucky, and that is what the problem is.

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Originally Posted by Zaygr

the Relic is meant to be something that grows with you and stays relatively relevant through newer content, timelocking it by RNG means that a significant portion of the playerbase won't ever see it. Even if the drops do increase there will still be some very unlucky people.

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its not even a month since its been introduced. Also 2.x+ is when the continuation will be released isn't going to be for another 2 1/2+ months. I'm sure more and more players will get it by then or shortly after then this entire "issue" will die down. I like how it is currently, especially when new 50s can get carried in primal hards and the chimera/hydra fights now with echo, daily roulette, and over geared help. They dont even have to worry about a Myth cap. Thats very very very easy relics..

This simply slows down the relic pace for now. when the continuation releases, it may do the same and make the atma progress very easier. who knows, Myth may go away and solid will be un capped and very easy to get and then the base of the relic will be too easy. But by that time, you can just get solid and get something better. Its progression. Slow the means to get the newest stuff and makes the older stuff readily obtainable. But I'm sure they will see it eventually.

All this complaining is just aimed to put high ilvl "bad" players into your DF with relics who don't know how to play their roles effectively that got carried and make people rage.

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Originally Posted by BlackHaloJT

Conspiracy Theory? SE has it out for you? This the first MMO you've played with RNG factor? I don't get it. If you want it bad enough you will find a way to get it. What happened to people's testicle fortitude- that is what RNG I have been trying to figure out. SE puts on one curve ball quest since easy street launch and people freak out. That's like saying everyone is suppose to win a contest SE puts out. But no worries I am sure SE will find a "Echo Buff" nerf easy street for this also. And to think the look of a blade of grass had people griping. There are so many other things they need to focus on in this game. Chalk it up on the list. Poor design perhaps, working as intended yes. Time sink at its finest.

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.... not trying to be rude but your post has nothing to do with mine other then they share the same general topic.

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

If it's supposed to be a long term goal, then it is exceedingly poorly designed, since some people get all 12 Atmas in less than 12 hours. It's only a long term goal for people that happen to be unlucky, and that is what the problem is.

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It's a percentage based drop. This isn't poorly designed. The same could be said about any dungeon drop in the game. Player X got it on his second try while player Y has gone in 50x's and not seen it. Is that broken? No, it's an MMO with normal RNG.

Sure the percentage is low, but not low enough to where it's impossible. I'm sure like all content, that it'll be nerfed in the future.

One thing is for certain, however; that the only way to get it is to go out there and grind it. If a person wants it bad enough, they will push until it's done, and once it is, they will feel accomplished.

today 8 hours = NO ATMA.
Honestly I think I'll quit soon cause this game is just a time sink. No fun. I'm honestly fed up.