All very interesting points.. But on thing I would like to point out is the fact that, after all the events of 2.2 ..when you go to talk to one of the children who were hyped to be an adventurer like you, he states something to the wording of "Balance is very important in our training where we come from, we are taught to run across tree tops."
Sounds like Ninja to me! My guess is some type of base class will result in it splitting off to thief and ninja. Rogue base branches to Ninja and thief maaybe?? Rogue normaly has the idea of a thief type plus im sure the term "rogue ninja" has been heard by everyone. I dont think im too far off base with this assesment
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04-01-2014, 05:16 AMYukiba
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04-01-2014, 05:19 AMEdwinLiYa most likely we will see new weapons for new classes/jobs but some of them can be simply different versions of current weapons unique to the new class/jobs such as Melee Mage obtaining Rapier as their weapon which we all should know Rapier is a one-handed sword but the name is use to identify the weapon for Melee Mage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
Scout class can be given Dual Daggers as their weapon functioning like the PUG/MNK Weapon. It is still daggers but it is two daggers which can be equipped only by Scout class and its two jobs. The weapons may even obtain unique names such as maybe Ninja relic can be have a name represent the two daggers sucn as "??? & ???" as their names to represent the weapon a dual daggers. -
04-01-2014, 05:27 AMQuintalian
As a long-time fan of Final Fantasy thieves like Locke and Zidane, and as a career THF in FFXI, I came into this game in 1.0 expecting to play a Thief. This patch's cutscenes have given me hope that, at long last, after two and a half years, my favorite job may finally be within grasp. Of course I have some strong opinions on the matter.
First, as has been said already, Thief is a Job. It should not be added as a class. "But Quintalian, in FF1 Ninja came from Thief!" Well guess what, in FF1 you used spell charges to cast magic instead of MP and if one party member killed an enemy that the next party member was targeting, he would swing at empty space instead of targeting another enemy. Final Fantasy has evolved since then and in later games, Thief and Ninja are distinct from each other. Warrior (aka Fighter) changed class into Paladin (aka Knight) in FF1, yet both of those are Jobs in FFXIV. Quit using the FF1 example for your argument, it doesn't hold water.
What's the name of the class would we unlock? I like Scout (SCT) a lot better than Rogue (ROG?). Plus 'rogue' ends up misspelled as 'rouge' way too often, and that's just embarrassing. How about Saboteur or Spy? Historically, real ninja did those things as well, it sort of fits.
Next, I don't think GLA will lose its existing daggers as the dev team seems loath to take away anything from the player base. Notice how there's a lot of items on the Market Board that can't be obtained anymore, yet haven't been removed from the game, e.g. beastmen currency, moraines, old dye materials, etc. So it's all new daggers and knives for the new class. How would the new class dual wield? Double daggers is fine, but I would rather see them use two individual daggers. Being able to mix or match weapons could open up some interesting gear choices. Just as conjurer can use either wands or staves, perhaps both options could be possible?
Last, what about the guild? It'll most likely be in a separate zone -- it is a secret, after all -- located somewhere in Limsa Lominsa near where we part ways with Yugiri. That little branch of the city isn't really used for much, it would benefit from a bit more (discrete) foot traffic. Don't expect Thancred to teach you its ways, he's a Scion now, with important duties. He can't be hanging around waiting to train aspiring scoundrels in some guild hall. We'll learn the trade from whoever it is that taught Thancred in the first place, and probably pick up some juicy secrets about Thancred in the process. Yugiri, on the other hand, stated outright that she would personally teach us, and I expect she'll follow through on that.
I could go on, but this is enough. As my Search Info comment states, "Waiting patiently for the addition of the Thief Job!" -
04-01-2014, 05:32 AMsilentwindfr
just a reminder at all the people saying thief must be a jobs and can't be the class, in Final Fantasy (the first one) Thief is the starting jobs and when you make it evolve you get... Ninja ^^.
other point i highly doubt that we will get a tank from the scout class, mostly because it's an heresy any good tank will tell you is not good and will often be either underpowered or overpowered.
in the cut scene we can notice two thing about the two fighting style:
- Yugiri seems to be more Area Oriented and attack multiple target and have some sort of control.
- Thancred is more about attack one target at the time.
this is the difference we can see:
- ninja is about DD AoE with CC a bit like the mage.
- Thief is about mono target probably with some debuff/support.
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04-01-2014, 05:41 AMFritoBandito
How funny/ironic would it be if SE "ninja'd" the ninja job/class into the game without ever advertising or telling us about it? Someone would just.... stumble upon it, and then word would get it!
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04-01-2014, 05:44 AMTiggyQuote:
Originally Posted by silentwindfr
I couldn't have said it better myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quintalian
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04-01-2014, 05:50 AMXandim
I could see Yoshi going for a Dark Knight (or whatever class is on WoW) but I'd like to be a pre-ninja from the get go... Well, either way is fine anyway =P
And you guys seem to forget that in RPG's, NPC's dont need to follow the class/jobs rules. They don't necessarily need a job to use magic, they are THAT awesome! :P
Yugiri might be hinting at the ninja, but then again, that could be like 1~1.5 years from now.. who knows. And didnt yoshi say that new classes are only on expansions and job could come in patches and he'd like to add all the classes that didnt make it to 1.0? I could be wrong and day dreaming tho =P -
04-01-2014, 05:59 AMEekikiI see them adding scythes to the game as a THM weapon, then branching DRK off of that, giving THM a melee DPS job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xandim
Yoshi already confirmed that Musketeer will be the first new class added to the game due to it being in the same boat as Arcanist in 1.0. But that doesn't mean it will be the only new class when it's added. He said this as part of his answer to the question of what new job he most wanted to add to the game. His answer was Red Mage, but he said a.) They need to figure out how they want to do it, and b.) They have to add Musketeer first because it was promised in 1.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xandim
I thought I saw some interview with Yoshi where he said they were basically done with the first expansion. So only they know what they're going to doooo~...
Why not? Both THM and CNJ have staves and wands. GLAs have swords and daggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
People have speculated that if Samurai is added, it'll branch off Lancer and great katanas will become a new weapon for LNC to equip. People have speculated that when the THF/NIN class is added they will take daggers away from GLA.
Point being, if SE says they're adding scythes to the game as a THM weapon, then scythes will be a THM weapon. That's how the armoury system works. -
04-01-2014, 06:16 AMFireHero
If I remember right back in 1.0 GLD used to have a a high lvl skill that aloud them to use 2 swords not just 1. Was the main reason i was lvling GLD back in the day.
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04-01-2014, 06:18 AMJinkoThats not how they armoury system works though, weapon = class, you can't give a thm a new weapon because it would no longer be a thm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eekiki
It's the very reason why both smn and sch both use books.