hahahah how SE got balls and i love it (happy thread please)

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Originally Posted by Gramul

My main point is that people don't play old games without all these features just for the nostalgia factor. They play them because they're fun games and regardless of these modern features, and demanding that new games retain all these features regardless if they really add anything substantial to the game or not seems shortsighted to me.

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Actually, nostalgia is a huge part of it. There's a reason why people always salivate over the latest games, and why indie, or low budget, or technologically inferior games aren't popular (except maybe for how bad they are, in FFXIV's case). High budget games have always been about out-doing what the previous generation/game did, and that includes adding in new features or taking features from competition. No major developer these days is trying to push for traditional or old school games.

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Some features are helpful, some features are unnecessary and end up being cumbersome to the overall experience. Just because something is new and modern does not automatically make it good or necessary.

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In FFXIV's case, I want to say that the vast majority of features that it's missing have hurt the gaming experience. This game shipped with a huge list of s*** that's become MMO standard in the last half decade or so; and we heard of no plans from the old team about modernizing it. Half of that list isn't even MODERN, because its predecessor from the same company and team had it.

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Originally Posted by Verecund

I hope they at least give jump a dynamic, unique, and interesting role to play and not just implement it as a big red button to press (which is essentially the way it was for WoW; outside of the more sandbox PvP environment, the jump feature never had a distinct role in PvE encounters, minus maybe 1 fight)

It would be interesting if they could implement it as a sort of 'dodge'.

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Jump was a part of way, way more than just one PVE encounter.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Jump was a part of way, way more than just one PVE encounter.

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That doesn't mean it's not lame, or needed in this game.

I hope they prove me wrong actually, because I'd hate to be the one to say 'told you so' when we end up with a completely useless game mechanic and a bunch of bouncing idiots in every town.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

That doesn't mean it's not lame, or needed in this game.

I hope they prove me wrong actually, because I'd hate to be the one to say 'told you so' when we end up with a completely useless game mechanic and a bunch of bouncing idiots in every town.

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It adds another dimension to strategy and fighting.

Let me ask you though: what is the problem with people bouncing around like idiots? As opposed to spamming any other action like idiots (I particularly remember Blaze Spike spamming in FFXI)? Why is jumping so much worse than anything else idiots do?

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

It adds another dimension to strategy and fighting.

Let me ask you though: what is the problem with people bouncing around like idiots? As opposed to spamming any other action like idiots (I particularly remember Blaze Spike spamming in FFXI)? Why is jumping so much worse than anything else idiots do?

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because it was never anywhere near as bad as the jump-tard, nor could you even do it that often, or even on a ton of classes. FFXI's community tended to be less littered with mindless children, mostly because of how the game was set up (though they were there, dont get me wrong)

if jump is built in the game from the start for certain reasons (combat or platforming) then sure why not, but this game does not need it for either.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

It adds another dimension to strategy and fighting.

Let me ask you though: what is the problem with people bouncing around like idiots? As opposed to spamming any other action like idiots (I particularly remember Blaze Spike spamming in FFXI)? Why is jumping so much worse than anything else idiots do?

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At least spells have cool down timers, so that's not much of an issue, it's all the pointless/constant bouncing that will inevitably ensue. Honestly it just annoying, so I'm hoping that as another poster mentioned we get a '/jumpanimation off' command or something so that those that don't want to be annoyed by it wont be.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Actually, nostalgia is a huge part of it. There's a reason why people always salivate over the latest games, and why indie, or low budget, or technologically inferior games aren't popular (except maybe for how bad they are, in FFXIV's case). High budget games have always been about out-doing what the previous generation/game did, and that includes adding in new features or taking features from competition. No major developer these days is trying to push for traditional or old school games.

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Well this time I can use Minecraft as a serious retort. Also every Capcom IP. And 4 Warriors of light. And Half Minute Hero. And the entire Dragon Quest series.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

It adds another dimension to strategy and fighting.

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I can only hope.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

because it was never anywhere near as bad as the jump-tard, nor could you even do it that often, or even on a ton of classes. FFXI's community tended to be less littered with mindless children, mostly because of how the game was set up (though they were there, dont get me wrong)

if jump is built in the game from the start for certain reasons (combat or platforming) then sure why not, but this game does not need it for either.

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Sorry, but spamming /laugh motion on people is ten times more annoying than jumping. However, that is just my personal opinion. The "annoying" point is something people need to get off of because it's subjective.

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

Sorry, but spamming /laugh motion on people is ten times more annoying than jumping. However, that is just my personal opinion. The "annoying" point is something people need to get off of because it's subjective.

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But /laugh is infinitely more useful than /jump. At the moment, jump would have exactly 0 usefulness except to annoy other players.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

So...is your signature sarcastic or...?


I wasn't really talking about XIV, more the concept in general.


I suppose you wouldn't count Minecraft.

My main point is that people don't play old games without all these features just for the nostalgia factor. They play them because they're fun games and regardless of these modern features, and demanding that new games retain all these features regardless if they really add anything substantial to the game or not seems shortsighted to me.

Some features are helpful, some features are unnecessary and end up being cumbersome to the overall experience. Just because something is new and modern does not automatically make it good or necessary.

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of course sarcastic... you are kinda proving my sig now. No one has any good reasons for NOT having jump besides peoples "feelings". its kinda sad. Since you can always you no... not jump if you don't like it.

Its hard to picture other peoples views as valid when an idea is presented (jump) and you do not want it simply because you do not want other people to jump around you. I could care a less if jump is added since i played ff11 for 7 years without jump or im currently playing DC universe now with jump. Both does not hurt my fun either way.

Anyway it was a rant i know but we will not turn this into a jump thread.
thanks

wow its just so tiring to hear people complain about jumping.
jumping will not ruin this game.
there are so many options as to how SE could impliment and tweak/fix it in the future.
final fantasy fans that do want jump are not about to go jumping all the time just for the hell of it. this games community will mostly be filled with FF fans.
also, walking up and down large scale cliffs looks horrible to me right now, we need a jump feature so we can continue scaling those cliffs but at least look slightly less rediculous doing it.
when you fight, your not gonna be jumping, when your on a chocobo your not gonna be jumping (1-if your traveling you should always be on a mount - 2 heres hoping mounts cant jump at any given will)

i just dont see the jump spam argument playing out, nor the "realism" aspect
the truth of the matter is in a video game, if you can conjure magic spells, cool weapon skills, and walk up a 80 degree angle cliff.... then why cant you jump up/over a good yard???
just removing certain invisible walls is just gonna look even more rediculous. there is a riverbed little minicliff in uldah that i have to walk COMPLETELY around while doing leves. walking is slow and painful. if i were able to jump across that foot and a half across cliff, that alone would make me that much happier.