So.. who's leveling a SCH?

People keep forgetting that a whm can cast the old 15 second medica2 twice in that duration of the nerfed 30 second medica 2. Also you cannot get huge healing ticks if you use divine seal with it too.

Its like halving regen potency but making it 42 seconds. A clear nerf for harder fights with more spike damage.

You should never be using Medica II that often.

I don't see the problem of holy's damage being nerfed. I've always seen that skill as WHM version of negating damage. (After all I'm pretty sure stunning a mob for 2 seconds with a 500+ mana costing skill is much cheaper than wasting over a thousands on heals due to the damage occurred in those two seconds)

It seems a few small changes are enough to make people abandon their class. SCH WHM is still the optimal healing setup, so you're still just as valuable as a WHM.

Have some faith in your class. Even if they have become the underdog; which I don't think they have, prove you're a good healer by still performing in spite of the changes.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

Succor's true viability only complements medica II not replace it.
It's Adloquium effect doesn't stack, it doesn't overwrite and it doesn't have the double crit bonus of it's single target counterpart.

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It's Adloq effect has the double crit bonus just like Adloq itself. Tested it on Ifrit HM some time ago, those who got critted by Succor won't get knocked back (-> indicates that the complete damage is absorbed).

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Originally Posted by Ashira

It seems a few small changes are enough to make people abandon their class. SCH WHM is still the optimal healing setup, so you're still just as valuable as a WHM.

Have some faith in your class. Even if they have become the underdog; which I don't think they have, prove you're a good healer by still performing in spite of the changes.

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I don't think the changes will make people switch classes (if it does then they should have played that other class from the start). I think most are just discussing the changes.

I already had both a relic SCH and WHM to play with. Even with the "nerfs" to WHM and the "buffs" to Scholar, I prefer the WHM play-style better. I don't see the changes as really being the be all end all.

I do wish they normalized mana usage between the two classes, with healing realistically being on par between them it confuses me why there is such a large discrepancy in mana still.

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Originally Posted by Ashira

Even if they have become the underdog; which I don't think they have, prove you're a good healer by still performing in spite of the changes.

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I think what's bothering most people is that, in this day and age, parties are all about "efficiency" and will happily drop the underdog to shave off 10 seconds from whatever mindless task the game requires them to do.

Many players feel that if these changes make the class harder to play (and thus, makes content harder), it will be pointless to carry them when they are just another gimp to the party. Not saying I agree with this, I'm just saying that MMO communities are slipping more and more into a cesspool of social ineptness. This affects even decent players because it makes it harder to complete party-required content. Just look at how many monks are requested for WP speedruns. It's not fair, but the reality of the current MMO world is that, if it's not "efficient," it's not worth doing.

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Originally Posted by Exphryl

I do wish they normalized mana usage between the two classes, with healing realistically being on par between them it confuses me why there is such a large discrepancy in mana still.

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I agree 100%
Although I am not happy about some of the changes made to WHM, I am more than willing to learn to adapt. What bugs me is that SE didn't touch Shroud of Saints at all. In another thread I made 3 suggestions that wouldn't be too over-the-top if just one of them was implemented.
1. Scale SoS MP regen based on Level/Mind/etc
2. Decrease cooldown of SoS
3. Bring back some of the old MP-management abilities (converting HP to MP, converting damage to MP, etc)

Parties are still going to need WHM's AoE healing.

If you complain and compare medica 2 to Eos's regen now hers is still on a 1 minute CD. The only spammable AoE scholar has is succor, which is laughable for the actual healing. It's equal to a medica in mitigated damage but you still have M2 and C3

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Originally Posted by Velox

I think what's bothering most people is that, in this day and age, parties are all about "efficiency" and will happily drop the underdog to shave off 10 seconds from whatever mindless task the game requires them to do.

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I don't disagree with your point; I agree that people will pretty much always take the most efficient group, for progression anyway. What I will say though is that SCH and WHM as a pair are still the most efficient combination. Two SCH cannot provide enhanced Stoneskin or Protect, and WHM are still the kings and queens of AoE healing.