Pressing the Windows button on the keyboard in full screen mode crashes the game

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

really? your really going to act like this? wow you sure are special........

again like I said in my above post... it is an easy fix, look up sharpkeys in google, download it, and use it to disable the windows keys, it is a very easy proccess, and if you can not do that....well...sorry.

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I'm not taking sides here but easy fix or not, what if I like using my windows key? this should even be an issue to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

I don't understand why there's so much criticism aimed at SE. They obviously decided the things that were unpopular in FFXI should remain, and that everything remotely like-able from FFXI should be pruned, to create an entirely new gaming experience. They even added a "three second lag to accomplish any UI/equipment/item/battle related task" feature, to give players considerable time to plan their inventory/battle command procedures.

Kudos SE. Haters gonna hate; just keep on keepin' on and doing what you do best: DirectX programming.

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Funny and true all rolled into one brilliant comment, you sir win my day /swoon.

Taken from a post on my LS site- you will enjoy the humor :)
Arcanist basically sounds like a WoW shaman only with the typical infuriating japanese UI hoops you gotta jump through.

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

I remember loading up FFXIV open beta the week before game release, and hoping most of my favorite FFXI features were implemented. I was NOT disappointed.

Mandatory Full-Screen - Check
Video Settings as a separate executable from game client that requires /logout - Check
Game crashes from: Alt+Tab, resolution change, UAC, change in focus - Check
No built-in Windowed mode - Check
Awkward client that doesn't have any built-in configuration settings - Check
Poor usage of hardware resources - Check
Convoluted account signup/character creation process - Check
(As a beta user, I was unfortunately deprived of the intense pleasure of their customer friendly, convenient and easy to manage payment system)

I was banking on those key features, and so was SE, which is why they decided to release the game with them intact.

I don't understand why there's so much criticism aimed at SE. They obviously decided the things that were unpopular in FFXI should remain, and that everything remotely like-able from FFXI should be pruned, to create an entirely new gaming experience. They even added a "three second lag to accomplish any UI/equipment/item/battle related task" feature, to give players considerable time to plan their inventory/battle command procedures.

Kudos SE. Haters gonna hate; just keep on keepin' on and doing what you do best: DirectX programming.

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LOL! Best use of sarcasm ever.

It's reasons like this we shouldn't just be quiet and find 3rd party workarounds. How else is SE going to realize this isn't acceptable programming until we point it out? Obviously they have no idea, or else they would have improved upon these glaring issues leftover from FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

Anyone remember waayyy back in the days of Doom 2?

SE does. Boss Key GO!

I remember loading up FFXIV open beta the week before game release, and hoping most of my favorite FFXI features were implemented. I was NOT disappointed.

Mandatory Full-Screen - Check
Video Settings as a separate executable from game client that requires /logout - Check
Game crashes from: Alt+Tab, resolution change, UAC, change in focus - Check
No built-in Windowed mode - Check
Awkward client that doesn't have any built-in configuration settings - Check
Poor usage of hardware resources - Check
Convoluted account signup/character creation process - Check
(As a beta user, I was unfortunately deprived of the intense pleasure of their customer friendly, convenient and easy to manage payment system)

I was banking on those key features, and so was SE, which is why they decided to release the game with them intact.

I don't understand why there's so much criticism aimed at SE. They obviously decided the things that were unpopular in FFXI should remain, and that everything remotely like-able from FFXI should be pruned, to create an entirely new gaming experience. They even added a "three second lag to accomplish any UI/equipment/item/battle related task" feature, to give players considerable time to plan their inventory/battle command procedures.

Kudos SE. Haters gonna hate; just keep on keepin' on and doing what you do best: DirectX programming.

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best post ever !

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Originally Posted by Griss

And row, disabling areo snap should fix the issue your having with the windowed mode. might take a bit of fiddling when you launch the game to get the window just right but it should be possible to create a faux full screen experience.
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Oh, wow, Griss, thanks! I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't know I could turn that feature off. It's been driving me nuts because I don't like computers telling me what they think I should do (hence why I'm a Mac hater). Now I can arrange my windows however I like, and not get them shoved downward!

This does make my FFXIV experience (and Windows experience) slightly better. Thanks. :D

P.S. However, still doesn't change the fact that SE needs to fix the DirectX issue so I can play in full screen again. >.<

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

LOL! Best use of sarcasm ever.

It's reasons like this we shouldn't just be quiet and find 3rd party workarounds. How else is SE going to realize this isn't acceptable programming until we point it out? Obviously they have no idea, or else they would have improved upon these glaring issues leftover from FFXI.

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I am not saying be quite about it and ignore it, report it (as it has been done enough that the deves have mentioned it) and then temp fix it yourself until SE fixes it on their end, instead of bitching on the forums about it.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

really? your really going to act like this? wow you sure are special........

again like I said in my above post... it is an easy fix, look up sharpkeys in google, download it, and use it to disable the windows keys, it is a very easy proccess, and if you can not do that....well...sorry.

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The thing is what are you going to do next, disable alt-tab? Why don't you just advise everyone to disable all 3 or 4 systems in Windows 7 so they don't accidentally hit a button on the keyboard that CRASHES THE GAME. I'm good; as I have said. Newcomers can't be expected to go through all this technicality to get the game running. They wouldn't even think of coming onto the forums.

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Originally Posted by Joeking

I like this features lets me close the game quickly. We should definitely keep it this feature for now....

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lol.. sad, but true.

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Originally Posted by Chocobits

Anyone remember waayyy back in the days of Doom 2?

SE does. Boss Key GO!

I remember loading up FFXIV open beta the week before game release, and hoping most of my favorite FFXI features were implemented. I was NOT disappointed.

Mandatory Full-Screen - Check
Video Settings as a separate executable from game client that requires /logout - Check
Game crashes from: Alt+Tab, resolution change, UAC, change in focus - Check
No built-in Windowed mode - Check
Awkward client that doesn't have any built-in configuration settings - Check
Poor usage of hardware resources - Check
Convoluted account signup/character creation process - Check
(As a beta user, I was unfortunately deprived of the intense pleasure of their customer friendly, convenient and easy to manage payment system)

I was banking on those key features, and so was SE, which is why they decided to release the game with them intact.

I don't understand why there's so much criticism aimed at SE. They obviously decided the things that were unpopular in FFXI should remain, and that everything remotely like-able from FFXI should be pruned, to create an entirely new gaming experience. They even added a "three second lag to accomplish any UI/equipment/item/battle related task" feature, to give players considerable time to plan their inventory/battle command procedures.

Kudos SE. Haters gonna hate; just keep on keepin' on and doing what you do best: DirectX programming.

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lmao. Great post. Yeah doom and doom 2 had separate configs. I see SE has learned well. Excellent first post sir. Looking forward to more of your work in the future.

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Originally Posted by twinkles

Funny and true all rolled into one brilliant comment, you sir win my day /swoon.

Taken from a post on my LS site- you will enjoy the humor :)
Arcanist basically sounds like a WoW shaman only with the typical infuriating japanese UI hoops you gotta jump through.

Create Distaff
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lol'd hard @ that.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

I am not saying be quite about it and ignore it, report it (as it has been done enough that the deves have mentioned it) and then temp fix it yourself until SE fixes it on their end, instead of bitching on the forums about it.

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Perhaps you are just unclear as to the purpose of this thread. I created a bug report because no other bug report had been submitted. Then a forum moderator moved it onto this forum for general discussion. It's reasonable to expect quality software that doesn't crash when you press a button on the keyboard.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

I am not saying be quite about it and ignore it, report it (as it has been done enough that the deves have mentioned it) and then temp fix it yourself until SE fixes it on their end, instead of bitching on the forums about it.

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you dont seem to understand, this was moved to the general topics specifically to garner this type of feedback,.
that moderator probably feels the same way but cant do much unless he presents threads like this to his bosses/developers.
i went to the FFXI convention in anaheim and the developers literally answered a few questions with "we just didnt think anyone cared about ____ so we never added it"

even more relovant, during beta the forums were open for feed back and feedback only, to report bugs and request other types of features and fixes. well anyone from beta should be able to remember Tanaka word for word telling the developers "just ignore them, they dont know what they are talking about, this is how the internet works. complete plans as normal"
im not exaggurating and if your from beta you should easily remember that AND when Tanaka literally blamed the western himisphere for ruining ..... damnit cant remember but it literally said its all westerners fault and it was a big ordeal on ZAM...

idk, my whole point is that i think some things actually need to be shoved in SEs face until they change it.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

oh please, bite me...... I gave an easy fix to the problem, and you know why? because this was the issue with FFXI for 8 years, and it was never fixed, and it is here with FFXIV, I disable my windows buttons for other reasons, not just for FFXIV. People can not stand to be given an easy fix to something, they just call the person a apologist (stupid word by the way) or SE humpers..... both are really childish.

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If that's your idea of an easy fix, I'm glad you never became a surgeon.

I believe the underlying problem stems from SE's console development methodology. One of the reasons Vista required DX10 is because the Aero stuff required use of Direct3D to render screen components, and prior to DX10, D3D only allowed one application to access the framebuffer via D3D at any time. Essentially, the game (or more likely Crystal Tools) has a poorly-constructed rendering engine which is trying to write frame data regardless of the state of the application. For example - a well-designed game shouldn't be trying to draw frames while minimized, as those frames are going to simply be discarded, but yet it does.

The error we're seeing here is not unlike a null pointer exception, actually. The previous device doesn't exist anymore and the engine is continuing to try to write updates to it.

Had Crystal Tools isolated the rendering engine from the game application itself, as would be desireable for having the ability to effect run-time graphics option changes, then I suspect this problem would be much easier for them to fix...but I think ultimately it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how to do proper PC development.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

you dont seem to understand, this was moved to the general topics specifically to garner this type of feedback,.
that moderator probably feels the same way but cant do much unless he presents threads like this to his bosses/developers.
i went to the FFXI convention in anaheim and the developers literally answered a few questions with "we just didnt think anyone cared about ____ so we never added it"

even more relovant, during beta the forums were open for feed back and feedback only, to report bugs and request other types of features and fixes. well anyone from beta should be able to remember Tanaka word for word telling the developers "just ignore them, they dont know what they are talking about, this is how the internet works. complete plans as normal"
im not exaggurating and if your from beta you should easily remember that AND when Tanaka literally blamed the western himisphere for ruining ..... damnit cant remember but it literally said its all westerners fault and it was a big ordeal on ZAM...

idk, my whole point is that i think some things actually need to be shoved in SEs face until they change it.

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oh I remember that all to well, and is why I am glad there is a new person in his place, but again, it is kind of BS that I am getting this much flack, for offering a simple fix to something until SE fixes it on their end.