Give another job a silence move!

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Originally Posted by ufufu

Did you really call Selene gimp? Hahahaha...

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Selene is gimp. So is Eos, Garuda, Ifrit, Titan, Topaz Carbuncle...Scholars..White Mages..Paladins...Warriors.....

...See where I'm going with this? :D

PLD - Spirits Within (off GCD)
SCH - Silent Dusk (Selene pet- Instant, off GCD)
BRD - Blunt Arrow
MNK - Arm of the Destroyer (AoE, Opo-Opo form)

Do we really need more?

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Having a mnk silence is stupidly last result. Not only does the mnk have to keep in opopo and time it right for HV it's so not trivial after the nodes get eaten and he starts spamming aoes. Unlike brds (and worse case pld) the mnk can fail more by being losing form due timing, but also lower damage output and dodging aoes. (the last part when skills over lap is super tight)

And you have all that TP eaten by trying to preserve the opopo form (the mnk has to rely on non mnk skills like ID, fracture, etc)

Then you have rot...you can't have a mnk pass rot and silence duty, but you can have a brd on silence and rot duty, and a pld will never have rot duty.

It's good on paper, but bad in execution. It's a stupid last resort that only happens in forums.

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The one melee DPS (MNK) doesn't have to pass rot around unless you have 2 melee, There is enough people beside the 2 tanks and the melee to pass around rot. Trust me cause my group does it every week and I never have to deal with it. I just hop on the other side between ADS and the wall so I wont get blown back in the mages/ranged DPS. If you add AotD in your rotation you can never fail unless your dead.


Yah its easy for BRDs and PLDs to worry about silence cause its off GCD. But to say that MNK can't do it is just wrong and sad especially since you have a MNK.


Sorry if I'm getting offensive But people rag on MNK way to much and give us a bad name. I think if people learned how to play their class correctly we wouldn't have half the issues.

The 2 easiest jobs to play effectively otherwise are the ones with the most stun/silence responsibility when content calls for it.

I don't see a problem here.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

PLD - Spirits Within (off GCD)
SCH - Silent Dusk (Selene pet- Instant, off GCD)
BRD - Blunt Arrow
MNK - Arm of the Destroyer (AoE, Opo-Opo form)

Do we really need more?

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My thoughts exact, why do we need more classes with silence. Every class not having silence means you have to utilize other classes for content, if every class had a silence all parties would roll with something stupid like 4 blm or 4 drg. As for those that want blm to silence, I just have no comment on just how stupid that is.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Perfect balance doesn't give you Opo-opo form bonus.

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It does not give you any form, you got that right.
However, you're wrong with the bonus part. It takes away the requirement to be in a form and lets you use all your abilities with their full potential as if you're in that form.
You can try it out, use PB and silence some mobs a few times in a row.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

because anything mnk can do (except LB) a brd can do better!

Also Arm of the destoryer is also an aoe, not a target. You can potentially be lagged and have it out of range

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I want to see a bard that can come even close to the damage a decent monk can do.
I've been silencing ADS for a while now and can still maintain a working rotation, if shit hits the fan I'll call for brd Silence early enough for him to react, always worked out.
The AoE lag you mentioned also never happened in one of our runs. :/

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Originally Posted by Genjisamurai

gimp fairy

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Ahahaha.

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo

My thoughts exact, why do we need more classes with silence. Every class not having silence means you have to utilize other classes for content, if every class had a silence all parties would roll with something stupid like 4 blm or 4 drg. As for those that want blm to silence, I just have no comment on just how stupid that is.

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Sigh... they arent good enough to replace a bard doing them. I hate running coil and leaving people out because we need certain jobs over others. I never said make all the jobs have silence moves. Either they make the Silence for monks and sch on par with bard and pally or give another job an option to Silence as good as a bard.

How is it stupid for a MAGE to use a silence move which is a debuff? Alot of stuff in this game doesnt follow the lores anyway...

A good coil static will have multiple jobs available to clear the content so worst case scenario you swap to a two bard set up for Turn 2 then move on with the rest. While this is not viable for everyone they have to consider the long term when this becomes the norm. Sort of how we swap to tanks and healers for Turn 3 sheerly for the survivability when racing to the bottom. However I'm not adverse to them adding more silence moves, though honestly most of them are not spells but abilities so what am I silencing? I'm fairly certain ADS does not have a mouth.

Turn all interrupts into Stun and problem solved as many jobs can stun w/o taking a hit to DPS. Since giving PLD two stuns would be OP turn Sprits Within into something more useful like a short def/m.def down effect on the mob or the like.