LOL@ Yoshi P's response to why Coil raiders should do Crystal Tower

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Originally Posted by omniwaink

"You’ll be able to obtain equipment that can then be used with the “vanity” (name TBD) system that we will be implementing later, and you can also obtain equipment for your alternate classes and jobs."

So we should do it for a feature that isn't even implemented yet. And for jobs we aren't playing.

Yay!!!!!

Let's see what else...Extreme Primals that drop ilvl 90 weapons which we already have. Or hard-mode dungeons that give the same ilvl gear and tokens as a faster/easier Wanderer's Palace run.

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1) Gearing up alternate classes/jobs is a very valid reason.
2) Vanity is not as valid but will be relevant later
3) Extreme primals- YOU might have lv90 weapons already, but most people don't. Remember, endgame players are a minority, as much as you'd like to think you're not.
4) Horizontal content growth isn't a bad thing. We could use more gear variety. Again, not everyone is a hardcore player decked out in lv90 gear for multiple jobs.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I don't think we have any chance to win items for alt.jobs by "Greed" in a 24 man raid like that.

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Apparently you forgot that each 8 man gets its own chest. It's cool, not everyone has good reading comprehension, but I'm sure you just forgot.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

3) Extreme primals- YOU might have lv90 weapons already, but most people don't. Remember, endgame players are a minority, as much as you'd like to think you're not.

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I don't know how it is on your server but when I go to RT, most people there have relics and most of those relics are glowing.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

3) Extreme primals- YOU might have lv90 weapons already, but most people don't. Remember, endgame players are a minority, as much as you'd like to think you're not.

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Why are people overlooking this, a grand total of about a handful of people can do coil 1-5 in one after noon, those people are a minority, and do not account for even 1% of population.

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@zdub303 relic+1 takes all of 3 weeks of capping mythos that is it, you can be +1 relic with out even unlocking coil... glowing relic means nothing....

While endgame raiders aren't as important as they think, I think people also way overestimate how hard Coil is. If not for the rather vicious RNG when it comes to Coil drops, you really have no reason to do anything else from a gear progression point of view if you can clear at least the first 2 turns in Coil (which can be done in a PUG). Now, since the RNG is indeed rather vicious you need some other gear to increase your chances of actually getting something useful, but to justify content on a nasty RNG is just a bad idea. If it's any other game with a token drop system, you can simply buy mythology gear for the turn 4/5 and then win whatever tokens from turn 1/2 that corresponds to your current drops, and you'd be effectively done with the game. Maybe people can argue about BiS but if all your gear is ilvl 90 it's likely good enough.

I can understand about seeing the positives about this whole...situation or whatever, but defending it and acting like there is absolutely nothing wrong with it will hurt the game more then help it, yanno? Mor Dhona on my server is getting more and more empty. The towns are gettin more and more empty. All I've seen and heard today is of all these end game focused FC quitting ; ;

This game is special in the sense that it has many people who have been playing since 2010 and maxed out all jobs (Even non legacy people have by now lol) and want more to do then T1-5 on Monday and be bored ; ; People want to improve their main jobs and something to do..is that really so horrible of them? Is it really THAT bad that people who have stuck with this game since 2010 are bored waiting and want something else to do end game that benefits their main job?

I mean, think about it..even with CT and 2.1..we are still limited to 8 man content. They kept telling us that its 24 man raid and been saying that since 2012 when they announced it. People that have to sit out for coil each week (in my FC anyway) or take turns or whatever...now they once again will get left out and not get to play with the big FC group. I am usually a really, really positive person...but I am sorry this patch, or..the live letter rather is a huge disappointment to me.

As for coil...I don't see it changing anytime soon. It's 1.0 all over again. Except now instead of horrible drop rates we have to deal with SE telling us how many times we can do it per week -_- It is the only end game content so they are gonna make it as limited as they can. Can't really blame them...it sucks but that is how its gonna be until we get some real content...hopefully within the next year or so.

Heh...gonna give this game like a year or so and if it doesn't have anything solid that is prolly when I'll throw in the towel ; ;

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Gear gear gear! That's all everyone thinks about! Not about the Actual content!

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New to MMOs?

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

I can understand about seeing the positives about this whole...situation or whatever, but defending it and acting like there is absolutely nothing wrong with it will hurt the game more then help it, yanno? Mor Dhona on my server is getting more and more empty. The towns are gettin more and more empty. All I've seen and heard today is of all these end game focused FC quitting ; ;

This game is special in the sense that it has many people who have been playing since 2010 and maxed out all jobs (Even non legacy people have by now lol) and want more to do then T1-5 on Monday and be bored ; ; People want to improve their main jobs and something to do..is that really so horrible of them? Is it really THAT bad that people who have stuck with this game since 2010 are bored waiting and want something else to do end game that benefits their main job?

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There's nothing wrong with being disappointed. That is anyone's right. Raging, cussing out SE and Yoshi, screaming FAIL at the very first content patch because it is not catering to the top 5% of the game population is kind of lame, though. And that is what most of the 'disappointed' people are doing.

People are acting like this is some longlasting trend where the hardcore players get slapped in the face, even though this is the first major patch of a newly released game. Coil should have been longer, I'll say that, but it's not exactly uncommon for it to take 6 months to introduce a new, higher raiding tier.

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

I recall in Rainheart's translation that each group of 8 will get their own chest.

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This is correct, it's also stated in the official Q&A

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

I can understand about seeing the positives about this whole...situation or whatever, but defending it and acting like there is absolutely nothing wrong with it will hurt the game more then help it, yanno? Mor Dhona on my server is getting more and more empty. The towns are gettin more and more empty. All I've seen and heard today is of all these end game focused FC quitting ; ;

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People are raging about there not being cutting-edge progression content in a patch that was never intended to have cutting-edge progression content. That's ok, by late December it will be people complaining about getting rolled in Wolves' Den by people in Coil gear.