Absence of end-game content : the downfall of every MMO.

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Originally Posted by Aragor

I understand what you mean and I'm not that hardcore neither was I expecting TONS of stuff to do. Still, compare this game to the gold standard : WoW.

Dungeons.
Farming AK or CM VS UBRD/LBRD, Scholo, Stratholme.

Raiding.
Coil : 4 pretty short turns with a 5th broken one.
MC : Over 10 bosses (with much more interesting mechanics let's be honest).

What came in the first serious content patch.
Crystal Tower : can't speak too fast from what we haven't experienced, but from what they've said, it's gonna be welfare gear for those who can't handle Coil.
BWL : how awesome was this place seriously?

My main point isn't really that RIGHT AWAY there wasn't a lot of stuff to do, but mainly that was is in the pipeline for further content patches is futile (housing, dailies) or isn't going to last more than a week (CT). I LOVED that game going from 1 to 50, I'm just disapointed the fun didn't last past that.

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I stopped reading at this. Not only because the WoW comparisons are making me throw up every
time I read them, but claiming Turn 5 is broken after it was just beaten legit a few days ago.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

WoW had jack for endgame when it launched.

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stopped reading there

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Originally Posted by wildgalax

stopped reading there

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Why? It was at least a true statement. Every game has jack for end game when it releases. Why do people forget this?

I think its ridiculous, i felt the end game content in wow launch was very satisfactory considering launch, dont feel ff14 even comapres.

And this is why no MMO has beaten that other game's sub rates to this date, almost a decade later: they don't even bother trying. There have been only a handful that came close but even they inevitably went f2p.

Hopefulley, the next generation of MMO devs seriously consider launching a game when it's ready rather than pushing it out asap due to pressures from the suits and stockholders.

You can come up with excuses like "no mmo has good end game content on launch!"

But I think to myself....why does it have to be this way? I for one am tired of that excuse, it's used far to often (every MMO now it seems) and there is no reason other than monetary ones why that cannot change.

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Originally Posted by wildgalax

I think its ridiculous, i felt the end game content in wow launch was very satisfactory considering launch, dont feel ff14 even comapres.

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GW2 too. WvW/sPvP had the pvpers hooked and legendaries/new pve content every month for the pvers.

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Originally Posted by Yurikitty

People that want everything right now. Buying a new cell phone every year because somehow the Iphone 5 is that much better than Iphone 4 (cause apple says so!) Having the accumulated knowledge of man at the tips of your fingers, everything just a google away, kids that get a new console every other year, all new games come out with DLC within weeks of releasing, F2P MMO's, disposable facebook games, its all the RIGHT FREAKING NOW generation, and THATS whats ruining games (and society). No one takes the time to enjoy anything anymore... and worst of all, instead of just unsubbing the OP feels the need to make the forums his twitter account and tell us every feels he has about life and this game. There is nothing to see here, move along.

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He's just exerting his right to be special, this is a free country and his opinion matters!

I love the internet! So much hatred thrown around the moment someone thinks otherwise than you do :P

As I said, the main issue isn't really what is currently available, but what is to come. I can't believe people are excusing the irrelevance of Crystal Tower by the fact it should have been here from launch. There is probably also the issue of the leveling phase was too short... In most other MMOs it takes more than a few days to a week to level a toon to max level for the first time so you start your end-game experience later on.

As for those saying WoW had nothing on release, you're still forgetting about the 4 dungeons I mentionned (all larger than AK/CM), Ony and the fact MC came on REALLY early (CT VS MC???). I do not see how WoW being almost 10 years older changes anything. If anything, it should be even more catastrophic for FF14 ARR to be this way since they should have learned from the past. It is true though that FF11 had nothing on release... but hey, they were in before WoW so you can't blame that one :P

P.S. Concerning turn 5 of Coil, it has been stated a large number of times during the past weeks and that devs were trying to fix it ASAP. I haven't looked for updates recently so I don't know if they did fix it.

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Originally Posted by sasakusaku

And this is why no MMO has beaten that other game's sub rates to this date, almost a decade later: they don't even bother trying. There have been only a handful that came close but even they inevitably went f2p.

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Obviously the size of the playerbase determines how good the game is, which is why every single game that has ever existed suck compares to Candy Crush Saga.

Also, McDonald really make the best food in the world, their sales number proves it!

/facepalm

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Originally Posted by wildgalax

I think its ridiculous, i felt the end game content in wow launch was very satisfactory considering launch, dont feel ff14 even comapres.

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WoW had Onyxia and Molten Core at launch. UBRS wasn't until months later. You had Scholo/Strat for "endgame" regular dungeons, and 2 raids. Not too different than FFXIV has now.