Warriors Have to Wait Until 2.1...

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Originally Posted by Soulburn32

Then what your you complaining about. Titan can be tanked as a warrior. People can complete coil with a PLD / Warrior combo. I see a lot of complaining about people forcing you to do something. Man up and tell your FC I am a Warrior I can complete the content, if they won't let you be in the group then its time to move on to a diff FC.

Show me a Double WAR group completing coil for every Double PLD group out there.

Fact is a) every world first will be with a PLD mt and (if appliccable) a PLD off tank, and b) you will always have an easier time with a 2x PLD than with 1x PLD 1x WAR.

By going as a WAR you are making the content more difficult for everyone in your party, which is why many people have changed jobs from WAR to PLD.

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Originally Posted by Roaran

You have to look at specific instances in certain battles where there is actual danger present to compare the two tanks. A prime example would be Titan's Mountain buster, and the stacking damage buffs in the coil.

In general a warrior will require 5% more healing than a paladin, but a warrior will have the advantage in total HP. So, it's actually harder to keep up a warrior. If you don't include self heals. But when you take into account things like inner beast, which for those short periods of burst damage, which are completely predictable, the healing from inner beast is far more than the 5% in healing that will occur in that period.

But, as has been said, Paladin has access to certain skills that make them survive certain instances in which they were not intended to be able to survive.

If you think Warriors are gimp or underpowered in any way as compared to paladins, I think you're operating on the assumption that some of the mechanics paladin has are being used as they were intended. It's not that Warriors aren't viable for the given content, but, instead, paladins are able to simply make the given content easier than intended.

Basically, if you think BC is too hard for a warrior, you're just bad by relying on the unintended utility given to paladins.

There is so much nonsense in this post.

First off, WAR does not have an advantage in total HP. WAR and PLD have the same effective HP. It's pretty easy to show this via math. 20% damage reduction = 25% more effective HP. This is the same as WAR.

I also want to point out that WAR will require FAR more than 5% additional healing. Depending on the damage output of the encounter, a WAR is going to require generally ~20-25% additional healing in coil.

Also it's worth pointing out that at certain points in incoming damage/incoming heals it isn't even worth using inner beast anymore because the extra healing you receive from wrath stacks will outstrip the healing you get from inner beast.

In short, you don't really understand mechanics and you haven't done the math.

WAR is not a viable tank for the current content. They are a viable "off tank" for some of the content, but even there it's significantly easier with a PLD. And this is a team game, so being dead weight for your team just because you want to be a unique and special snowflake is generally not preferred by most groups.

Evidently using Shield Oath is "unintended utility."

You show me a video of Double WAR doing turn 4 and I will concede that they are viable tanks.

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Originally Posted by Soulburn32

I want to know how many of you have actually given it a real chance trying to MT coil.

Have you actually spent a couple of hours trying and and knowing for certain you are doing everything in your power correctly as a Warrior and are still unable to complete the content?

Or are you all just assuming because other people tell you so that it isn't possibly or some arbitrary thing like "twice as hard"

Yes. It was quite eye opening trying to be the initial tank on Caduceus. The damage was so bursty and nearly unhealable for the healers that keeping me up until it split was greatly taxing their MP pools. They kept saying "OMG How can it be this much harder to keep a WAR up than a PLD?" But it's pretty obvious we were doing everything in our power to keep me up (rain of Death rotations, Virus Rotations and Eye for an Eye rotations, etc.)

We didn't spend 2 hours wiping on it, though, because we had a PLD to main tank it and we decided to do that instead so we could down it instead of wasting everyone's time on a fool's errand.

Aside from that, it's pretty easy to demonstrate via math that WAR will require ~20-30% more healing to keep them alive, and the cooldowns are all lower impact than the PLD counterparts.