From Epic story to Boring Grind Why I quit FFXIV.

Guess what? SE might not agree but i bet that the dwindling numbers got them all motivated to implement the upcoming 2.05, widening not only the sources of both currency, but also the amount. Something had to be done and the OP is right in thinking that this sort of desing shouldnt make it out of the brainstorming, clearly.

Considering 1.0 though, it is clear that SE has some sort of blind faith in their players being ok to eat sh*t with a smile and a thanks. Mind you they might have been reading your posts.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

People who rush to endgame, then finish it so fast they are left wondering where all the content is for $100 Alex.

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It's the middle of October. Game was re-released in August. Original game shipped 3 years ago. How long do you expect people to dilly-dally around? Especially when YoshiP himself that leveling itself is intended to be short, that endgame is the REAL beginning of the game? It's not our fault YoshiP designed the game's leveling and endgame progression poorly.

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Originally Posted by Aleksandr

I agree... I remember that one dungeon in Skyrim which I ran 50 times to get my Dragon Born Axe +1.

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Pauses to allow the sarcasm it's due.
Nope never ran any such dungeon, and with mods I have run a tremendous number of quests. Some good, some bad, some happy some sad, some clever some dumb.

I think this would have been fixed if leveling to 50 was not so easy on your first class. I miss the days when leveling could take months and not 4-5 days. Having no big scale pvp and mini-games at launch was in my opinion a bad decision.

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Originally Posted by Dethevn

Even WoW had some variety; 5-6 Heroics instead of 1 clear cut efficient route. And they didn't involve having to skip cutscenes and find 7 other people. Don't even bring up duty finder, a.k.a. 3 people AFK finder.

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I don't know when you started playing WoW, but from personal experience, I can assure you that 1 month after launch, there were not "5-6 Heroics". You're the one missing the point: this game is brand new; with all MMOs, you need to be patient for content additions, quality of life improvements, etc.

The game is really lacking any sort of magic. I was loving it right up until the point that I wasn't. I log in to cap myth now, the end. Maybe a few weeks left in me before I come to the realization that it's a road to nowhere.

I'm noticing a trend here:

As I said about six months ago, those who would rush to endgame content would find themselves bored quickly and hate the tredmil endgame. Those who are taking their time are still having a blast.

We're about... just under thirty days away before the initial swell of players that just jumped into the game to hop on a bandwagon won't be in anymore. By that time, 2.1 will be launched and those genuinely waiting for more content will get it. Though, I don't think we're getting access to any more levels of the Coil this time around, so those who rushed likely won't feel any better about the situation.

Regardless, talking about bleeding numbers at this time is a moot point. We haven't even hit the initial subscription decline that comes with every MMO post launch. It's not blind faith to set your initial success marker low. How quickly did we forget that we blew up the servers and they had to expand them twice, with a third on the way.

People need to understand that there isn't much to do in this game that's why everyone is complaining, It's not about rushing the content or anything, hell i realize this when i got my 3rd piece of darklight that i will be making many more visits to prae/ak. Sure coil is fun and all but the grind is tedious to get to that level. I have friends that clear all the way to turn 4 in 1-2 days, after that 8 AK runs and log off. Now that i have full DL gear/Relic and just done 3 AK runs im officially burned out before even doing coil. Maybe ill give it a try this week but let's be honest here is it worth paying 15 a month to eat the same s hit everyday?


Have fun playing like i once did and hopefully you look pass your fanboism and come to realization that you will be running the same shit over and over for 11 pieces of darklight!

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Originally Posted by traja

So is he wrong? I haven't tried end game yet so I am genuinely curious. I see people defending SE on this but no one is refuting anything he said. Is it truly so bad that the only solution to what the OP described is to avoid the end game completely or submit yourself to an absolutely ludicrously monotonous grind for months and months?

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Pretty much.

To all the People "Go do coils cause you don't need all relic gear" You do know there is a cap on that too? "Oh did coils 1,2,4 this week didn't get any drops guess I will have to wait another week".

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

People who rush to endgame, then finish it so fast they are left wondering where all the content is for $100 Alex.

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And another thing the game has been out for almost 2 months if you started at EA/Launch and don't have at least one job to 50 that's your fault, So stop telling people to quit rushing to 50 when it takes like 40hrs of fates to get to 50 and that's a second time around.

I think the problem is, end game comes too fast. I always liked the FFXI formula. End game took forever to make it to, but you didn't have to grind the same dungeon 50 times. I played that game for 1 whole year and still never had one max level job. The only reason I quit was due to gil sellers ruining my experience. But FFXI is the standard I hold every new MMO to, and nobody ever meets the bill. Even in this new FFXIV: ARR, I haven't found the fun and excitement I had in FFXI.

I myself am in no hurry for end game because I don't find dungeon grinds appealing. This whole WoW formula of hurry up and get to the end just to grind one dungeon is a real turn-off. I wish SE would stick to their roots and make another real MMO, that took thought, work, and time to get to the end.

A perfect example would be to take FFXI's leveling concepts (may be a little less grindy) and add the new improved mechanics like gathering while not competing for nodes, maps, and other new features that MMO's have adopted to improve over the years.

SE should have kept skill chains too! Skill Chains and Magic Bursts made fighting dynamic and fun. Every party was a different experience even if it was the same makeup. Something as simple as changing weapons could provide for different skill chains. And frankly, rotation fighting is boring... Yea, find your best rotation and use it every single fight for the rest of the games life... Why does it seem MMO's are devolving instead of evolving?

Instead SE took the WoW clone route sadly. I'm not sure why they would do such a thing. FFXI had substanace and everything you got felt like you earned it, WoW is just an end dungeon mindless DPS race. Not sure why others are following suit. It's a horrible MMO formula made for kids with no patience.

I remember how FFXI used to feel like a real adventure. Now it's just do this string of quests to get to the next hub of quests with the whole game mapped out for you. I never thought that back while I was playing FFXI and hearing these stories about how WoW is sooo easy to solo in and yada, yada, that MMO's would be doomed forever....

No game is going to be successful if the endgame can be achieved in just a couple months. Ignore what the impatient have to say about MMO's and grinding. Stick to your roots SE and make this game have longevity like FFXI did. Stop giving away your game and make players earn their way through again. Not sure if this game can be totally fixed to these standards that us gamers used to have. But keep this stuff in mind for future content if you want to be a real success.