I just don't understand how Venat is viewed as a motherly figure by part of the playerbase. I'm not sure how that logic works. Her actions weren't really the sort of things I would associate with a benevolent goddess. Knew everything beforehand, yet acted sneaky and didn't try to avoid the worst outcome which ended up happening anyway. I have yet to come across a decent explanation.
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08-27-2022, 07:16 AMaveyond-dreams
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08-27-2022, 07:27 AMTheodricIt's always strange to me when people point to something as niche as FFXIV as an example as what qualifies as 'good taste'. That aside, personally if people don't like what I like I just shrug in indifference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angellos
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08-27-2022, 07:28 AMMikkoAkureI'm not sure what you're trying to say here or if you have the meanings of words mixed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rulakir
The definition of an antagonist is the foe of the protagonist. It has nothing to do with morality. Hydaelyn is not opposed to the WoL or the other way around. You can have an evil protagonist but a heroic antagonist. There's plenty of video game examples out there like that.
The Ancients are not the protagonist of the game. She was certainly a foe to them, but we are not them, and our lives as well as all of those in the remaining unjoined worlds depended on defeating the Ascians. Worlds that, as corny as is is to say, were treated with unconditional love by Hydaelyn. Her motivations as written in the EW MSQ may be stupid as hell and the writers introduced a bunch of nonsense where there didn't need to be any, seemingly just to make everything fit the song Answers, but it doesn't make her an antagonist since she has never done anything but help our character defeat our foes and the game never treats her as one. -
08-27-2022, 07:35 AMaveyond-dreams
It's a shame too because having the WoL be more on the side of the Ancients would've probably made for a better story, where Venat could've worked as an antagonist. Either way she's evil, no matter how pretty the game and outside media dresses her up.
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08-27-2022, 07:38 AMEgilTheStressedMageGood taste is Radiant Historia. Bad taste is Sands of Destruction. As long as you agree the former is good and the latter is *projectile vomits*, you have good taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
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08-27-2022, 07:43 AMPawPawLess about taste, it's about someone coming into a thread that has 684 pages and latching onto the OP and then presenting ideas IN ALL CAPS as facts when these same "facts" have been ripped to shreds over the course of said 684 pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angellos
We get it, you were REALLY into whatever Y'shtola told you the story was about.
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08-27-2022, 07:54 AMBrinne
If Athena has a million fans I am one of them. If Athena has ten fans I am one of them. If Athena has only one fan then that is me. If Athena has no fans, that means I am no longer on earth. If the world against the Athena, I am against the world.
And should someone use my adoration of Athena as bad faith fodder to attempt to discredit my own perspective or other peoples' perspectives on different aspects of the story, then I shall simply take a page from my beloved's book, and go, LOL, LMAO. And then maybe I'll take advantage of my husband's feelings to, like, infect him with a seed of my soul to eventually enact my own resurrection via reconstructing my cool mad science torture dungeon twelve thousand years later in the Aetherial Sea, or something. You know, normal stuff. -
08-27-2022, 08:02 AMRulakirThe antagonist isn't always centered around the protagonist*, but regardless I'll concede the definition that's more appropriate for Venat is an anti-villain. However, I'm not sure how many people are familiar with that term as opposed to antagonist which is the main reason I use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikkoAkure
* I also think it's dicey in this case when the protagonist exists as a result of her destroying their original self and grooming their reincarnation to be her champion. The WoL is less a protagonist than a tool.
I'm not going to debate her 'love' because if this is how she treats people she loves I'd be scared to see how she treats those she hates. -
08-27-2022, 12:45 PMNanaWiloh
Venant turns man mortal over a belief and recieves hate.
Man upstairs turns man mortal over a apple recieves love.
Man kind making no damn sense
Priceless :D
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08-27-2022, 10:25 PMredheadturkNot to get religious, but. . .to be honest I think both are full of crap, so there is that lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by NanaWiloh