In Regard to Housing in Patch 4.1

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Originally Posted by Abelfei

You clearly are quite confused on the definition of profit.

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Not really. If a large house states its value of 50 mil and you sell it for 60 mil you profitted off it. Flippers are trying to justify there greed by making up crazy values like the 1.1 billion for plot 30 that sold..... Recooping what you paid off a flipper is profitting , if you pay a flipper 50 mil then buy it off the plaque for 50 mil dose not make the value of the house 100 mil its still says on the plaque the house sells for 50 mil So the value of the house is 50 mil. getting your money back you paid someone else dose not factor into the value of the house.

I've said this many times. There is a need for a proper selling system for housing. If X person want to get rid of his/her house they should be able to get back a large chunk of their initial investment (similar to demolition).

I have zero problem with people selling their plot for the max amount it worth (i.e selling a grade 1 Large for 50M). Yes it sucks buyer have to pay 2x the price but that how it designed and i dont blame the seller wanting back what they invested.

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Originally Posted by Abelfei

It's not exploiting if they agree to a price. The GM made perfect sense. You can sell, but not for profit. You're acting like what you say is definitive in the game world, when actually, this GM has a lot more say than you, so you saying he doesn't make sense.....doesn't make any sense. You're acting like the game is out to get you, it's comical. " line your pockets with millions of gil " , " not after you exploit a the person into paying you " , " exploiting a system of the game " ; wow..... you do realize these deals are always mutual and people know what they are spending and don't care right?

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And what exactly is a profit? Isnt just one Gil more than the original price profit? Because in the end you paid a certain sum and most sellers of houses are not asking for this price...they go around and want double or more of it. Theoretically you are also already making a profit if you sell it for the original price because if you use the system that is in place you will only get around 80% (?) of you original price back. Selling it for more than that means you get more out of it -> profit.

Its just bad that this is still not regulated in a good way. If you ask some other GMs they might even give you a very different answer.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

I've said this many times. There is a need for a proper selling system for housing. If X person want to get rid of his/her house they should be able to get back a large chunk of their initial investment (similar to demolition).

I have zero problem with people selling their plot for the max amount it worth (i.e selling a grade 1 Large for 50M). Yes it sucks buyer have to pay 2x the price but that how it designed and i dont blame the seller wanting back what they invested.

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The question is: Is it truly how its designed? If they had planned for people selling their plots, wouldn't they have integrated a system where this goes through without the chance that the buyer will not have a house at the end? Like an auction or something. In the end the normal way to get rid of your house is either through manually demolishing it or by getting it demolished after the timer is gone. If someone truly just want their house gone why not just wait for the timer to expire and get at least a big sum of money back, instead of selling them thus forcing the others to pay at least double the price?

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Originally Posted by Alleo

The question is: Is it truly how its designed? If they had planned for people selling their plots, wouldn't they have integrated a system where this goes through without the chance that the buyer will not have a house at the end? Like an auction or something. In the end the normal way to get rid of your house is either through manually demolishing it or by getting it demolished after the timer is gone. If someone truly just want their house gone why not just wait for the timer to expire and get at least a big sum of money back, instead of selling them thus forcing the others to pay at least double the price?

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Well that's something Devs has to answer. Remember that auto demolition hasnt been in the game since personal housing was implemented also say you're moving server for x reasons. How fair is it having to wait 45 days to get back 80% of your purchase plot price? Which isnt in place right now due to recent events in NA.

In my case when i moved to Louisioux (which was a new world server) so I got to what i purchased my house + 3M gil but that isnt possible for everyone.

It's a bad system. period.

I have suggested before they should had same system as auto demolition in place when you manually demolish it. No we have to wait 45 days, again don't even work right now.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

The question is: Is it truly how its designed? ?

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The answer to that is easy, No its not since the largest gil transaction between players is 1 million gil. Se never planned on large sales from player to player

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

I've said this many times. There is a need for a proper selling system for housing. If X person want to get rid of his/her house they should be able to get back a large chunk of their initial investment (similar to demolition).

I have zero problem with people selling their plot for the max amount it worth (i.e selling a grade 1 Large for 50M). Yes it sucks buyer have to pay 2x the price but that how it designed and i dont blame the seller wanting back what they invested.

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Well if they made it so it switched hands with only the 'board' listing price, with the selling player getting the gil rather than the server eating it, then it would make it VERY clear who is selling for profit.

Player 1 lists their plot for sale
Plot is listed for predetermined board price
Player 2 buys the plot from the board and takes ownership
Player 1 gets the gil

Any extra gil thats trades hand outside of that is profit and against TOS.

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Originally Posted by Abelfei

It's not exploiting if they agree to a price. The GM made perfect sense. You can sell, but not for profit.

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It is exploiting the player, who also pays to play, if you are selling at a 200% or more profit value of the actual cost of the plot. With the high demand for housing, it makes some players turn to the RMT sellers to be able to afford such pricing. If your house gets demolished by the system you get 80% of the value back you paid for the plot originally, which is fair. You used that place for a time, you shouldn't get a full refund. Taking advantage of the housing system through a player, like that, is greedy and wrong. And it is even if they agreed to your demands of a price, since people are so desperate for housing

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Originally Posted by Scardon

Well if they made it so it switched hands with only the 'board' listing price, with the selling player getting the gil rather than the server eating it, then it would make it VERY clear who is selling for profit.

Player 1 lists their plot for sale
Plot is listed for predetermined board price
Player 2 buys the plot from the board and takes ownership
Player 1 gets the gil

Any extra gil thats trades hand outside of that is profit and against TOS.

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This. This right here.

A system like this would benefit everyone but the flippers. People could still give their houses to other people, people transferring servers could get the full price of purchase back and not have to wait 45 days for 80%, and people buying houses from other players don't have to pay hidden fees or worry that they won't get their property at the end of the transaction. Let players be able to list the plot from the placard once they remove all their furnishings and items and let anyone browsing the board be able to see the 'For Sale By Owner' listings alongside the empty plots.

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Originally Posted by Scardon

Well if they made it so it switched hands with only the 'board' listing price, with the selling player getting the gil rather than the server eating it, then it would make it VERY clear who is selling for profit.

Player 1 lists their plot for sale
Plot is listed for predetermined board price
Player 2 buys the plot from the board and takes ownership
Player 1 gets the gil

Any extra gil thats trades hand outside of that is profit and against TOS.

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What would really happen:

• There are never any houses up for sale on MB
• Player 1 and Player 2 arrange a sell price
• Player 1 puts up the house for sale when Player 2 can immediately buy it
• Player 2 gets the house, and gives Player 1 millions of extra gil

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

What would really happen:

• There are never any houses up for sale on MB
• Player 1 and Player 2 arrange a sell price
• Player 1 puts up the house for sale when Player 2 can immediately buy it
• Player 2 gets the house, and gives Player 1 millions of extra gil

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Unless the system restrics manual pricing and it would default to the plot value.