Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

The tags for this topic is getting more bizarre as the fighting in the thread itself.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

The tags for this topic is getting more bizarre as the fighting in the thread itself.

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at this point im tagging for a good laugh

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Yes, it is worth the complaints. Do you know why?

Because positive discussion that could potentially grab SE's ear and let them hear the complaints and concerns of customers - no different than you or I - is never a bad thing. Laying back and "Accepting things as they are" is a pretty pathetic thing to do, and I'm not the type to just roll over and show my stomach.

More than that, I genuinly enjoy positive discussion. When someone gives a very good, fair point back, I love pinging the ideas back and forth and seeing how a conversation can evolve.

"Winds" for flying mounts are different. They're not gating you off from part of the content, they're built into it, like the steps of the "Coil of Bahamut" to get to the next step. You're not being prevented from going to the zone and exploring because you haven't completed an abritrary quest from the old content of the game, you can go there and work on it right away if you want. And it's level-appropriate.

Now, I would love to ask where this discussion of high-level gear drops coming from dungouns is from? If so I must applaud that, and concede the point that at the very least, the process post-50 will be eased. However, even still, I can not agree with making a character go to 50 to complete MSQ to play the level 30 job they want to play as.

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Because you don't care about having to unlock winds does not mean it's not content gated behind a quest. It just does not matter to you. And the complaining going on here is not all that positive because you complainers are totally disregarding the efforts SE has made for you to progress very quickly through the MSQ.

A quote I've got sigged on another forum is as follows: "Playing a Final Fantasy game and not watching the story is like going to Texas and not getting BBQ." (Replace TX with TN, GA, SC, NC, or your BBQ state of choice.)

Are there other things to do besides the story? Yes. Should you try the story at least once? Absolutely.

The most ironic thing is that if you have at least one battle class to 50, leveling all gathering classes and crafting classes becomes absurdly easy too, since it grants you access to the levequests for fast leveling and turn ins. I have 3 gathering classes and all 8 crafts at 50 long long before I had more than one battle class at 50. Heck, fisherman was my first 50 - but that's only because the last set of levequests is unlocked at level 45, so my WHM was in parallel for most of that experience.

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Originally Posted by XxSliphxX

I said the "story" is tedious i also said i liked the gameplay, characters, and world. Which is why i play this game. Trying to twist my words to feed your view of me is just that. Your twisted view. Your analogy also makes no sense. It's vastly out of proportion to what i was trying to say. But trying to have a rational conversation in a thread full of Final fanbois where "Story is everything!" and "Everyone must go through what i did!" as a rationale for the current expansion was obviously my mistake. So carry on and ignore the obvious of what I was trying to say.

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You made it plainly obvioius that because you didn't care about the story, every new player will not care about the story.

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Originally Posted by XxSliphxX

Short answer. Yes. Let them start at lvl 1. New players don't give a flying f*k about the story sorry. They want to play the game. This game contrary to popular belief is not hard. Tedious yes. Hard no.

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There. Ive requoted and even bolded the blanket statement you make about new players. Your ego makes you think your opinion is everyones opinion.

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Originally Posted by XxSliphxX

Just about everything said in this thread at this point.

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"I'M NOT CRAZY, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S CRAZY! In fact, you're all so crazy that I'm the only one here who's sane! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" *hops on bouncy ball and rides off into the sunset... in the middle of the night*

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Originally Posted by kyuven

A lack of "Agreed upon definitions" doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just means there's a grey area.

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It means that people conflate one sandbox with another's definition. Even Wikipedia can't agree with itself, having it linked to "Open World" which is far more specific. The Legend of Zelda is an open world game, that doesn't make it a sandbox. Some tangible changes can be made to the game world by completing a dungeon, but overall are required to complete the story.

Like compare this description

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A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will. In contrast to a progression-style game, a sandbox game emphasizes roaming and allows a gamer to select tasks. Instead of featuring segmented areas or numbered levels, a sandbox game usually occurs in a “world” to which the gamer has full access from start to finish.

A sandbox game is also known as an open-world or free-roaming game.

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with this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossa...s#Sandbox_game

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A Sandbox game is a game that the player has the ability to alter their environment in some substantial matter, hence the term sandbox. The term sandbox is in reference to a child's Sandbox in which you can alter the landscape and build shapes. Not to be confused with the term open-world, where the player may roam openly through the world, without artificial gimmicks to direct a set path. The story driven aspect has no effect on whether a game is sandbox or not, but can sway if a game is open-world.
Many sandbox games are open world, as they usually go hand in hand and compliment each other well, examples would be Minecraft, or Trove. Examples of games that are sandbox but not open world would be along the lines of Robocraft. Example of games that are open-world but not a sandbox would be, Cubeworld, or Ultima I: The First Age of Darkness.

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Hence. No two descriptions are alike. It's just a marketing buzzword at this point.

In the context of a MMORPG, a "sandbox" is a lot harder to do since players will destroy other peoples creations out of spite. Some "open world" style games like Final Fantasy XIV don't have any sense of progress if you don't play the storyline. You can't unlock certain parts of the game without playing it. But since resources are unlimited, one could wreck the game economy by overwhelming it with bots. In a "*craft"-style game where you can change the world's appearance, the ability to lock down parts of the world is required, for the sole reason that people will wait till you go to sleep and throw a stick of dynamite in it. Without having game mechanics to "hire" players/npc's as gaurds, nothing prevents the world from being changed. And once you start locking stuff down, it stops being a sandbox and becomes just and open world again. It's just simply not possible to market or define a MMORPG as "a sandbox", because none of them are capable of being so.

You all realise that at this point adapting the expansion to facilitate entry into Ishgard for any reason without completing the MSQ simply isn't feasible. The Expac launches in a week. Regardless of what follows after, Ishgard will be gated behind story for at least some time and frankly I suspect their game metrics will have the deciding impact over wether they change their policy or not.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I feel sorry for new players who have to go through the entire main quest just to get into the expansion.
I have done the mainquest 3 times with my 3 characters and for someone who doesn't enjoy the story at all it's worse than farming relic weapons.
I'm serious I'd rather farm relic for all jobs than doing the main quest 3 times.

Soo yes I agree with you, they need to find some way to skip it

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Thing is though you don't have to, you can easily just level other classes/jobs on the same character, Yoshi is even making it easier to get to end game so that people can get to Ishgard quickly. When you finish the story that gives you your in, I understand having to finish a specific quest to start expansion content, makes it so it isn't just RMT's and things that make a new character then sit in Ishgard and other places bothering others.

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Originally Posted by Amenty

Thing is though you don't have to, you can easily just level other classes/jobs on the same character, Yoshi is even making it easier to get to end game so that people can get to Ishgard quickly. When you finish the story that gives you your in, I understand having to finish a specific quest to start expansion content, makes it so it isn't just RMT's and things that make a new character then sit in Ishgard and other places bothering others.

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I agree with ^ as I can only see this barrier as a good thing. This will make it even easier to ban RMT when they have to try and exploit to beat crysalis and steps, in order to make it to the new areas to gather... etc... etc. Sure they can can fill in the niche for old stuff, but yeah...