Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

I think SMN has the edge in A3S, if and only if you can get past the Pain and tornado phase without throttling the raid's CDs specifically because you have a SMN (in our gear level that's hard right now, next reset when we all have weapons, I think not). It might be because I'm not playing it right but when I go SMN, we fail the Pain check because we don't save stuff for it, but with BLM the burst is real enough we can get through it 90% of the time. I see no point to BLM over SMN once you're in final phase, it's really quite a lot of moving/mechanics that must be obeyed immediately, and current strats have caster LB3 twice in that phase, which clearly favors SMN.

Quick question for you all, i just started to get my esoterics is it better to wait 3 weeks and get a weapon first or farm ravana for the 190 weapon and buy other pieces like my chest first?

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Originally Posted by curunir

Quick question for you all, i just started to get my esoterics is it better to wait 3 weeks and get a weapon first or farm ravana for the 190 weapon and buy other pieces like my chest first?

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You should have the chest by this week, pants by next week, and all your pieces ilvl 190.

There is no reason to buy anything than the weapon first.

so you are saying buy the weapon?

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

Both casters ARE viable, I never denied that. But Summoner has the edge so far. A1S for multidotting, A2S is pretty self explanatory and A3S while its the most balanced one out of them, I still think Summoners will at worse be on par with BLMs there. A3S adds can also be baned off the water tornado much like T10 if you refreshed dots before phase change as well as potentially getting painflare/deathflare on 2/3 targets, giving Summoner the edge on that phase.

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Too bad World first cleared it with DRK, WAR, SCH, WHM, NIN, DRG, BRD, BLM. They went for the highest DPS comp. Even if you bane the adds. Your DoTs won't apply fully. They just die too fast. BLM seems to have the edge in A3S and it won't surprise me if BLM have the edge on A4S because there is adds. You'll most-likely have to focus legs 1 by 1 and since there's not much movement BLM just feels better. BLM is also a better choice when you get dragged to kill that add with a tank because your DoTs won't apply fully again.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

You should have the chest by this week, pants by next week, and all your pieces ilvl 190.

There is no reason to buy anything than the weapon first.

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I beg to differ.

By next week, you can have chest+gloves . Now compare those with weapon and you get

weapon: +2 weapon damage, -10 int, + 81 accuracy, -77 crit, -163 det, +143 SSPD.

Personally, those secondary stats from upgrading to weapon gives me cancer. Not to mention, the Gordian Book will end up being BiS so that's pretty much wasted ESO while the ESO chest will likely be BiS over the Gordian one.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

Too bad World first cleared it with DRK, WAR, SCH, WHM, NIN, DRG, BRD, BLM. They went for the highest DPS comp. Even if you bane the adds. Your DoTs won't apply fully. They just die too fast. BLM seems to have the edge in A3S and it won't surprise me if BLM have the edge on A4S because there is adds. You'll most-likely have to focus legs 1 by 1 and since there's not much movement BLM just feels better. BLM is also a better choice when you get dragged to kill that add with a tank because your DoTs won't apply fully again.

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Well, maybe because they just don't have any good Summoners or their caster cant play both jobs ? I've already tested both on A3S and Summoner was at worse, on par with BLM.

And no, the adds don't die "too fast" you will still get atleast 3 ticks per add, and you ignored the part about deathflaring/painflaring them. And Sleigh brought up some good points as well about final phase as well as having to LB which takes a huge dip on BLM's DPS.

So far, most people that say BLM has the edge over SMN on A3S either can't really fully maximize SMN's potential or haven't seen the entirety of the fight. Or both.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

Well, maybe because they just don't have any good Summoners or their caster cant play both jobs ?

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You are talking to a gorup that race changed to BiS main stats because they were at 0.5% before the maintenance. They've tried with SMN, don't worry.

Also, saying to a group of elite players they are bad when they claimed 2 World First is a really bad argument I feel.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

You are talking to a gorup that race changed to BiS main stats because they were at 0.5% before the maintenance. They've tried with SMN, don't worry.

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I've also seen some of their SMN parses and none of them were impressive.

I think once the dust settles and more and more groups clear, we'll get to see some numbers. Possibly stilted because BLM does do better in add phase (which is on a timer, but is also a DPS check in our gear so it is relevant presently), but we'll see then.